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JP

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Hi all,

 

Over the past few weeks, I've been tinkering around lots with various math formulas & cad dwgs etc. wrt the spheres' images & other related stuff...

 

There's lots of stuff which could be said but for now just a few quick points:

 

#1 Generally speaking, the focal point equations are meant to be used with parabolic surfaces and only approximate spherical response near it's center. The closer to the center, the more the spherical trig and parabolic focal point equations coincide.

 

#2 In the WC picture with the building in the background, If the craft was a small model using a garbage can lid, the background reflected by the spheres themselves would be LOTS larger than it is. Also, the relative apparent size difference of the spheres indicate the distance of the photographer from the craft... & whether zoom was used or not does NOT enter into these equations.

 

#3 While lots of attention has been placed on trying to discredit the WC pictures themselves, openly in plain view (and mostly ignored), are the spherical reflections in a circular array which have their own interesting properties and for which much math can be applied !!!

 

#4 The P's have a sense of irony, humor and/or realism... ???

Out of all Billy's photos, i now understand, that ESPECIALLY the WC photographs are most valuable, BECAUSE of all those spheres !!

 

At some point, I might do one or more writeups on all this but for now am still having LOTS of fun investigating & "processing" the various WC photos!!

 

Salome,

JP

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 Greetings ufoafobes from the Planet zhackt,                               You guys cant really be confused over these CONVINCING photos and videos, Such quality, certainly not from this planet- maybe from the same galaxy as lawrence welch, you have got to be s--ting me, is there any intelligent life on earth????????? Appearently not. I would be abducted, probed and tagged by whatever supposidly pilots this 57 chevy of a spacecraft and still be laughing at such an advanced hyperspace travel craft. Are we looking at the same thing or did I forget to put on my rose colored ufoptics that I received from spock at the trekki conv. Please tell me that I havent found true believers of the Meiers lunitic writings, but the 344 yr old chick is hot cant blame him for that. When will mankind accept our frailty, There are rules of engagement on this and every other alien cluster of crud in the galaxy, #1 there is no light travel, appearently some of these fools havent taken basic physics, matter cannot travel as light- just give it the common sense test at home(((((have a buddy shine a flashlight through a glass door, now you try to follow its path at the same speed,,,,,,,,,,,,, there now see??? Science fiction is great but we have to draw the line when we start trying to live it, D

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To serpent

Gees serpent, seeing as you are very sure of yourself give us a run down on how much physics class you've taken over the years least of all any academic papers you've written for peer review.

 

Well, I thought so, not a god damn word.

 

Why don't you sticky beak your trap to the skeptics corner and be confined to your own self deluded know it all bubble where you'd be most comfortable whilst every free spirited and free thinking individuals that have overcome their sense of egotistical importance create a better world in which you can soft land when your bubble bursts. Gees talk about dole bludgers.

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Okay. On that note, in regards to this comment by raskolnikov: 

 

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also, again, you didn't comment on this picture:

 

http://thebiggestsecretpict.online.fr/ufo/Wedding_Cake_infront_house_tack_miss.jpg

 

why has a part fallen off it???  you're always going on about how well it is built yet don't comment on the fact that it's falling to pieces. 

 

 

 

If that is a tack that fell off, how is it able to stay attached to the ship in mid air? If you notice the position of the ship in picture 873 that "tack" is in the same exact position it is in the picture you mentioned. Right in front of the open gap. So we can speculate this object is some component of the ship.

 

http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/view/mb/file?username=steelmark&id=209165 

 

 

 

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Jan

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Hello Raskolnikov!

 

I think also is a fake picture...I think we shall not take all bullshit that shows or say but some of it can be true....Good work with you observation.

 

Jan

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Jeremy,

 

I fully agree. No tacks on this thing.

 

Skeptics ~ come on...really. We have to stop living in denial and accept the clear and unobjectionable facts. I already linked you to the video clip in this thread that clearly shows the object is, at a minimum, 80 or 90 meters (close to 300 feet) from the camera next to a TALL tree. This can be proven by very simple elements in the video: the length of video camera zooming (undeniable evidence in itself!); Meier himself as foreground reference; a real tree--not a 2-meter Christmas tree--next to the ship; filmed in a verifiably public area complete with joggers and passers-by who would have seen the gigantic 3.5-meter (12 foot) model supposedly "hanging" from a tree!

 

There's a point where you just have to submit to what your eyes and ears are clearly telling you and say, "That's not a small model with tacks sticking out of it." I know its hard, but try and put the ego aside for a moment and toss the trash can lid nonsense in the...well, trash can.

 

I know you can do it!


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newinitiation

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G'day Marc Juliano

 

Have you received my private email I sent to you Marc, I think on the 8/8/06 Tuesday?

 

 

Look forward to hearing from you.

 

Cheers

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with so many photos, of the same spaceship/timeship, hovering in the air, many times within close proximity to a tree, how can one dispute what has been shown to them?
It's really there, it really came from where they said it came from, traversed millions of miles...

erik

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It doesn't matter if the picture is fake or not.

The facts are that there about a hundred photos right?? 

It only takes one of them to be real.

That's it.

So stop harpping on about what looks like a cake tin or not, it doesn't really matter because there's so much other evidence.

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Jeremy,

 

I feel your points are valid and I have mentioned similar points in my arguments for the reality of the large size of the object.

 

I think my all-time favorite quote of this thread has to be this one about the detailed analyisis on the photos of this particular UFO done by a Professor Emeritus of Atmospheric Sciences; somebody who has the authority to use time-proven equations that may befuddle even those of us a bit more astute in physics and the study of optics.

 

Quote:
"i have seen this article before and it's a joke, he is talking in very complex terms, trying to make people to believe that there is some truth in his indecipherable riddles that he talks.  he's trying to intimidate people. "

 

LOL! This essentially says, "Don't confuse me with the facts, I've already made up my mind."


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If the aliens wanted to reveal themselves they would make it obvious so that most everyone accepted their existence, even casually, with a shrug. Bill Meier's photos just look like toys and stage props. Personally I think if aliens are real, and have visited Earth, then they correspond with the ancient accounts of demons and monsters and ought not be trusted. I think the movie "Killer Klowns From Outer Space" had the right idea in depicting a creature that uses its friendly appearance as a deadly snare.
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Stalepie, as your name suggests, you aren't worth it.

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What about this?

http://thebiggestsecret.online.fr/ufo/billy_meier_more_wc.htm

 

and this?

 

http://brumac.8k.com/Meier/MeierPendulum.html

 

http://www.ufowatchdog.com/hall3.html

 

http://www.iigwest.com/horn.letters.html

 

Billy Meier's technical expert, Jim Dilletoso http://members.aol.com/tprinty/azvideo.html

 

 

JP

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>What about this?
>
>http://thebiggestsecret.online.fr/ufo/billy_meier_more_wc.htm
>


 

On the above webpage, the illustration labelled "graphic reconstruction" of the SSSC and beamship is not even close to what is seen in the #800 photograph labelled as "Billy Meier fake ufo".

 

The beamship does not line up with various points on the main building, the buildings are not to scale or oriented properly and so on.

Further, the beamship size and orientation does not correspond to anything Meier ever photographed. 

Without even trying to pretend he has produced a decent "to scale" drawing, the author then fabricates facts & figures to suit seemingly preconceived conclusions.

 

It is best to use a decent CAD program of some sort for this type of thing!!!

Please see Jim's updated webpage on this, for a few examples.

 

A quick summarization:

It can now be proven, that the beamship image is at least 6 1/2 feet in diameter. This in turn, proves the beamship image cannot be the small size required IF that garbage can lid was somehow used as claimed.

 

It should be noted, that whether the actual beamship size is 6 1/2 feet in diameter or not, is another matter entirely. The claim is that this is a model and therefor corresponds to "normal" earth type technologies.

Also, there is the rest of the wc photo series...

 

>and this?

>http://brumac.8k.com/Meier/MeierPendulum.html

>http://www.ufowatchdog.com/hall3.html

>http://www.iigwest.com/horn.letters.html

>Billy Meier's technical expert, Jim Dilletoso

>http://members.aol.com/tprinty/azvideo.html

>

 

The above four links contain little information if any.  IF there are any decent technical ideas, for or against, i don't have the time nor inclination to "wade through" such stuff to find it. Maybe someone else does?

If anybody wants to summarize, please do !!

 

Regards

JP

JP

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Oh yes...

 

Regarding certain skeptics who claim they can easily reproduce the wc beamship photos using small models:

 

NOW... as per Jim's updated wc webpage, the skeptics must also document and reproduce foreground & background in THIER model photographs.

They must ADDITIONALLY provide enough information in their spherical reflections to PROVE mathematically, that THEIR model is 6 1/2 feet in diameter !!

 

Regards,

JP

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