Steelmark Online Forum Website Toolbox - Webmaster Tools
 
Register Chat
 
 
 


Reply
  Author   Comment   Page 3 of 4      Prev   1   2   3   4   Next
Dino

Avatar / Picture

Registered:
Posts: 36
Reply with quote  #31 
Hello guys... Guess who's back...
I've been doing some research on Billy Meier case and on a few other UFO cases. My research is not yet over.

About this WC thing I must say that at least one of this pics is a clear fake! Yup, It's a fake and I also must say that I am NOT a skeptic! But you can't believe in everything that someone says to you or shows you. By the analysis of the pics you just can't believe in some of them!

And another thing! It's just a small thing in my research.
The Greek name for Earth is Terra, and the Plejaren name for their home planet is Erra! Is it just a coincidence? I don't know. I would like to hear others on this.



Eidted: I was also thinking if Billy is telling the truth why does he need fakes?!
Ram

Avatar / Picture

Registered:
Posts: 44
Reply with quote  #32 

If you say the wedding cake is real - Then you are here to dis-inform people and make them dis-believe the case.

There is no doubt it's a small model.

You are dis-information-people - end of story.

And this web-page is made to keep people away from believing the Meier case.

 

-------------

sorry.

-------------

I see no reason - that the meier case should not be infiltrated - because it has such big value to it.

The first pictures are real - And it's easy to see which one are real and which ones are fakes..

-------------

sorry again

-------------

Or atleast consider the possibility that Meier wanted people to stop running around the farm - and finally he made a fake one to keep people away.

 

Do you understand?

 

Atleast it works fine - people wont come to Billy Meier and run about the potato fields.

5 billion human beings on planet earth -

offcourse we can't have them all run around in such a small village.

 

- Atleast somone made the fake ones to keep people at distance from Meier - one way or the other.

 

Thats how I see this.

Ram

Avatar / Picture

Registered:
Posts: 44
Reply with quote  #33 

Don't worry I believe it's all fake now..

good luck.

JMN

Registered:
Posts: 6
Reply with quote  #34 
This thread has almost destroyed any belief I had in the Billy Meier story...

If there is truth in his story then I'm afraid he has lost much of his credibility in my eyes.

'Tis a shame, I really wanted to believe it too...
kingdom

Registered:
Posts: 11
Reply with quote  #35 
While many people here on this site may have had genuine experiences with "off world" intellegence,regretfully,I have tyo say that Billy Meirs claims are total fabrication,he is the planets greatest hoaxer.It is dangerous and foolish to buy into this,with the greatest respect to believers.I do understand that his details lead to a very convincing scenario of reality,but that is his way of trying to manipulate the masses,the most wise of us could quite easily be taken in by this,I was myself,its nothing to be ashamed of.  

                              I have it on good authority that this man is
                              on his final warning.THE Authority I talk of cannot be disclosed yet,but I


__________________
r_keating..
kingdom

Registered:
Posts: 11
Reply with quote  #36 
Billy is the biggest hoaxer on the planet.He is a fraud,big time.
I have it on good authority that this is so.This "authority" cannot be disclosed yet,but will be soon,Please pull out of this while you can for your own well being,I have no doubt that many of you have had genuine "off world " experience",I,m sorry but Mr Meirs hasn,t,he is a charlatan trying to manipulate the masses for his own self profit.

         With the greatest respect to you all ,goodbye.

            P.S. there are one or two on this site who know fine well
what is going on.

__________________
r_keating..
Marc_Juliano

Avatar / Picture

Moderator
Registered:
Posts: 125
Reply with quote  #37 
Hi Kingdom,

Apologies up front for my sarcasm, but I know an expert who works with an authority who studied under a super-top-secret authority who is in contact with the ultimate authority who swears Meier is not a hoax.

So where does that leave us? And, respectfully...who cares? It's up to you to do with your beliefs and second-hand information as you may. Everyone else, of course, will do the same.

I would say that instead of saving others from their apparently misguided beliefs, why not spend the time here offering up why you feel that way and trying to understand and clarify more of it instead of speaking in seemingly anonymous generalities?

Respectfully, I have it on good authority that Meier is not a hoaxer and I've unequivocally proven on my own over the course of the last 15 years that people practically fall over themselves in order to fabricate and conjure up attacks on Meier and friends without all the facts. The whole "self-profit" story is an age-old hoax in itself that really has lost its luster and shotgun appeal. Anyone who knows Meier and the group in Switzerland firsthand can easily dispell that one.

Nonetheless, thanking you for your input but eager for clarity and further understanding so as not to become manipulated any further...

__________________
Marc Juliano
V.P. Technology/IT, Steelmark
Forum Moderator
Dino

Avatar / Picture

Registered:
Posts: 36
Reply with quote  #38 
Hello to you all again,

When I saw the HQ picture on SteelmarkOnline I became a believer in Meier story. Then I got DSL link, and disappointingly looked at the videos.
I must say that even I can't drive a spaceship as bad as that!

And can somebody explain me the connection between our Earth (in Greek=Terra) and the Plejaren home world Erra? (T)erra / Erra.
Oh, wait... Don't tell me... I know already... It wasn't Billy who invented name Erra. It was the Plejaren who invented Terra and told the Greeks to call Earth like that!

Oh, and BTW
Plejaren kidnapped Elvis Presley. THE KING LIVES!

One more thing
Quote:
I know an expert who works with an authority who studied under a super-top-secret authority who is in contact with the ultimate authority who swears Meier is not a hoax

....no offence dude.... U use 2 many who(s)

Savio

Registered:
Posts: 42
Reply with quote  #39 

Hi Dino

Do you know anything about Kal Korff ? He is the most famous debunker on the Billy Meier case.

Months ago, Kal openly announced that he would publish a few books to totally expose the frauds Billy Meier had made, Kal ate his words.

At the same time, Kal openly announced that he would initiate a law suit in accusing that Billy Meier is a fraud, Kal ate his words again.

Hence it is wise not to believe anything but perform our own research.

Claiming something is easy yet proving something is a totally different story.

Happy searching

Savio

Marc_Juliano

Avatar / Picture

Moderator
Registered:
Posts: 125
Reply with quote  #40 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dino
....no offence dude.... U use 2 many who(s)


None taken...dude. That sentence I wrote was not intended to be grammatically accurate and was more of an attempt at sarcastic mockery. Apparently it must have failed.

As far as Terra, you may just be right there, Dino.  As the story goes, the Plejaren have never really officially recognized the name "Earth" for our planet. They have always considered it to be "Terra" and have mentioned it many times in the contact reports. (See, even in your own sarcastic way, you were right on the button!) 

As I always say, you're free to judge the evidence as you wish. I think those ships are real and were intentionally made to bob and weave like that by their occupants so that free will can continue to play its role in our still-primitive development. The whole world isn't ready to accept UFOs despite what most people may think. We're still hitting each other over the head with clubs, for cryin' out loud!

Yeah, we still need a little more cooking...

__________________
Marc Juliano
V.P. Technology/IT, Steelmark
Forum Moderator
Adysor

Registered:
Posts: 9
Reply with quote  #41 
A comment for Raskolnikov

"you can clearly see that it is in FRONT of the car"

Where did you get this "clearly in Front" of the car, i'm not a photo analyst but I think I know that because that car is out of focus, the top colors and shape of the car, slightly merges with the bottom of the object, BEHIND the car. If it were in front why, did the bubbles not appear in front ?

I don't want to defend this photo as real, but just to correct you because you are talking total nonsense.

__________________
Adrian
kabal

Registered:
Posts: 1
Reply with quote  #42 
I just want to give you my 5 cents. I have seen many hours of the Billy Meier case. I think that the ship look very primitive. Also the beamgun dosen't even look like a gun it looks like something homemade.
And at the same time I do belive that he has actually seen real UFOs but got carried away.
morlam

Registered:
Posts: 4
Reply with quote  #43 
Sorry to say to everyone that the Billy meier case is bogus from start to finish. He NEVER took ANY pictures of real ufos EVER! His first contact photos showing Semjases beamship show photos of a small dinner plate made model sprayed silver. All his photos are fake. He made his own models with his one hand and now I have recreated his famous wedding cake ship with one hand which was very easy.
The only reason people diodn't do it bfore is because those who believe it won't bother to try and show it is fake and those who don't go for it can't be bothered. I found the right type of container lids and went for it because Michael Horn himself asked me to do so. Michael thought I wouldn't be able to simply because others have failed.
Well, I succeeded! And I took all the photos of it I could get proving in effect that Billy's photos of it are fake. The car with the WCUFO at night is a small toy car a few inches long like the ones I used. I got exactly the same out of focus features as can be seen in his photos.
If FIGU and Michael Horn still claim the WCUFO is real then the whole case is bogus because I have now proved it to be fake! Thgis means they are actively lying to the world about Billy and that brings their motives into serious question.
Now I have done this I hope sincerely that everyone gets it finally and leaves these bogus people well alone.
NO amount of "this group say Billy is genuine" will change the fact that I have proved his WCUFO to be fake!!! Stories and such never prove anything. You have to redo what Billy did to prove he is fake and I have done that. Check it out on youtube, my channel is called "Mrmorlam1" and the video is called "The Billy Meier style WCUFO variation 2" and shows some of the photos I managed to redo with just a few table lamps and a broom handle with a hook on it to hold up the model. The pole doesn't register on film and it looks like the model is a ufo hovering about. Check it out. I put my money where my mouth is.
Michael812

Registered:
Posts: 9
Reply with quote  #44 
To all,

Contrary to what our new friend, Phil Langdon, is enthusing about, his efforts have simply resulted in exactly what previous best efforts have, i.e. the duplication of the "effect" of Meier's photos. First though, let's give Phil some real serious congratulations on making very excellent models of the real WCUFO. 

What Meier enthusiast wouldn't want one of them?

But we do have to remember that a model is just that, a model. I have previously pointed this out (http://www.theyfly.com/newsflash5/tree.htm) and it still holds true. However, Phil did go to great lengths to try to make a convincing duplication, the problem is that there are obvious, telltale flaws that effectively leave Phil back where every other debunker and skeptic who tried to do the same also found themselves. But to be perfectly honest, it took a photographic expert, Chris Lock, to show me the obvious giveaways that clearly separate the real WCUFO from Phil's attempt.

Chris has already written a very detailed, precise analysis and comparison between Phil's efforts and Meier's evidence. We will publish this at my site when Phil and Korff can generate some serious attention sufficient to warrant a large public response. Let me explain this a bit before giving you a few points from Chris Lock's article.

Phil is now affiliated (no auditory pun intended) with Kal Korff, the more than slightly looney, self-professed enemy of the Meier case. Korff had approached me last year to do a joint DVD project with him, presenting the idea in the innocent framework of two people "respectfully agreeing to disagree" with each other, etc. It turned out that Korff intended it to be nothing of the sort. And while I proceeded in good faith for some time, Korff was working behind the scenes to create an entirely different and quite malicious product. I was alerted to this in time by a communication from Ptaah, as relayed by Florena to Billy and then to me.

Of course, for Korff (and certainly Phil, etc.) there is no Ptaah and the the Plejaren are likewise non-existent, etc. However, the information provided by Ptaah as to what Korff was really up to, and the warning for me to disengage as fast as I could lest I be unwittingly used in a rather vile campaign that Korff intended, is already born out in Korff's promotional material for what he now claims will be an ebook project, rather than a DVD. Should he indeed release this project , it will be very apparent that Ptaah, who of course "doesn't exist", nailed this one right on the empty Korffkopf, to coin a German pun here.

Naturally we have the dated email containing Ptaah's warning and recommendation, which I mentioned in an article of mine at the time: http://theyfly.com/For_the_Record.htm. Until recently I hadn't mentioned anything about Korff's mental illness, as Ptaah had clearly described it in the email, but it will be a matter of some brief discussion at a later time when Korff's mental imbalance will in itself become quite clear and evident to anyone who is interested in the matter. Not only have Korff's previous machinations regarding Meier's evidence been previously detailed by an insider (http://theyfly.com/newsflash93/KorffShort.htm) but even other skeptics, opponents of the Meier case, etc. regard him as out of his mind and someone to avoid.

Korff really has no problem with blurring truth and reality into his delusional lies, which is symptomatic of his paranoid mental state. An example, last year he wrote and told me that some 200 people had written him who specifically criticized me and my position on the Meier case, etc. However, I didn't receive even ONE such email myself, quite surprising in light of how easy enough it is to find me. In fact, since the whole proposed project with Korff was announced by him, and by me in my newsletters, etc., I received no more than about a half-dozen inquiries. Really, that's it.

This leads us to why I'm waiting to publish Chris' article, i.e. Korff, and Phil here, are both relying on me to do some serious promotion of their nonsense in order for it get broader exposure. That was obviously part of Korff's original agenda, as nobody pays any real attention to him and his delusional, self-important rambling. However, this time these guys get to do all the work and, if they get enough blips going on the radar we'll shoot them down, politely of course.

As to some hints about the content of Chris' article, a few quotes:

"...We will see that no hoax has been proven; merely a few somewhat similar, yet crude, effects have been created in these photos and video clips, although Langdon has produced a beautiful little model.

A generally accurate looking model used in a photograph, of course, does not prove hoaxing or use of a model in another photograph taken by someone else. At most it raises the question of whether this could have been done elsewhere. As for 'perfect recreations', that shows an incredibly lax standard of judgment as shall be shown. With the exception of the model itself, which is a good attempt at creating something similar looking to the WCUFO, these photographs cannot even be classified as 'recreations', let alone 'perfect'; they are merely attempts at reproducing some basic similar effects.

It is possible with modern technology and given time and know-how to make a convincing model of anything. But all that a convincing model evinces is expertise on the part of the model maker. "

"...After showing his small model against a completely different small fronded variety of fir tree from that in the Meier photograph the Langdon video asks, 'Does this mean my model is a large craft?' No, of course, it doesn’t. Just taking a model and seeing how you can make that look like the original does not in any way prove anything necessarily about the original, and most certainly not that the original was another model. By the same reasoning a model of Tokyo Tower proves Tokyo Tower is nothing more than a model. 

Proving something used to create a model is a model itself requires the most critical analysis. And this critical analysis the Langdon videos have not provided. What the videos do show is, it is possible to build a small (apparently 16”) model like the WCUFO, and more importantly, if you pay attention, that it is actually different in size from the craft seen in the WCUFO with van photograph. So let’s look at some salient features in the photographs."

Unfortunately, failed skeptical challenger, Derek Bartholomaus (DB), has again blundered, throwing in his lot with Langdon and Korff (and the very disgruntled, petty, Tony Wharton who has already sufficiently embarrassed himself). It wasn't bad enough that DB had to retract his foundational argument about "model trees" (http://theyfly.com/newsflash91/Top_Skeptic_Fixed.htm), it's reprised here by Langdon, which again brings the focus back on DB , who's also, like Korff, no stranger to dishonest tactics (http://theyfly.com/SkepticsCaught.htm). 

In fact, Langdon and Korff use DB's flawed and foolish photo composite to try to illustrate the model theory, which now makes it even more obvious - after reading Chris' article - just why Meier didn't and couldn't have used model trees.

So, when Chris writes the following near the end of his article:

"I would like to thank the makers and posters of the Langdon videos for so conclusively showing how different their model version and cropped Norwegian spruce are from the craft and trees seen in the Meier WCUFO with van photograph. A large difference in scale and size is evidenced. I’d also like to thank Langdon for his model and car photos that show so conclusively how bigger the cars in Meier’s photos are from the toys in Langdon’s videos." 

...he's not just being polite, nor is he trying to rub salt in Langdon's soon to be experienced wounds.

While it's not likely that folks such as Langdon, Korff and Wharton can actually understand, let alone appreciate, the kind of urgent and vitally important information in the Meier case, obsessed as they are with trying to duplicate/debunk his photos, after their now certain to come drubbing they may want to turn their attention to reading this article http://theyfly.com/articles/WILL_HUMANITY_WAKE_%20UP%20.htm and try to figure out how Meier "hoaxed" all that. 

Maybe their next project will be trying to duplicate volumes of specific, prophetically accurate information but I won't hold my breath.


__________________
Michael Horn
Authorized American Media Representative
The Billy Meier Contacts
http://www.theyfly.com
Michael812

Registered:
Posts: 9
Reply with quote  #45 
Hi everyone, 

Here is my response to a communication I received today from kooky Kal (below it):

Hi Kal,

Oh yeah, I found it, that's an excerpt from a post of mine on the Steelmark forum. Just to be clear, the only thing there that you're accusing me of "lying" about is that excerpt, right? 

Well, I keep looking but can't find the words you quote and object to:

"ALTERNATIVE MOTIVES" OR "ULTERIOR MOTIVES"

Nonetheless, I'm going to with this:

Phil is now affiliated (no auditory pun intended) with Kal Korff, the more than slightly looney, self-professed enemy of the Meier case. Korff had approached me last year to do a joint DVD project with him, presenting the idea in the innocent framework of two people "respectfully agreeing to disagree" with each other, etc. It turned out that Korff intended it to be nothing of the sort. And while I proceeded in good faith for some time, Korff was working behind the scenes to create an entirely different and quite malicious product. I was alerted to this in time by a communication from Ptaah, as relayed by Florena to Billy and then to me.

Now please get back to me with any specific words, etc. that you still may object to. Let's keep in mind, of course, that I was expressing my opinion, which is what forums are notorious for, right?

You do still believe in the great American tradition, and granted right, of free speech, right? And you don't think that trying to abridge that right in a European Union court is exactly the right, American thing to do, do you?

Just Czeching, let me know.

MH


Dear Michael,

I have told you OVER AND OVER AND YET YOU STILL LIE!

Your statement, to wit:

Phil is now affiliated (no auditory pun intended) with Kal Korff, the more than slightly looney, self-professed enemy of the Meier case. Korff had approached me last year to do a joint DVD project with him, presenting the idea in the innocent framework of two people "respectfully agreeing to disagree" with each other, etc. It turned out that Korff intended it to be nothing of the sort. And while I proceeded in good faith for some time, Korff was working behind the scenes to create an entirely different and quite malicious product. I was alerted to this in time by a communication from Ptaah, as relayed by Florena to Billy and then to me.

AGAIN, YOU ARE LYING, AND YOU KNOW IT!

IF YOU DO NOT RETRACT AND CORRECT YOUR LIES, I WILL PROMPTLY SUE YOU FOR LIBEL, DEFAMATION, SLANDER WITH DELIBERATE, MALICIOUS INTENT.

YOU ARE LYING WHEN YOU SAY THERE WERE "ALTERNATIVE MOTIVES" OR "ULTERIOR MOTIVES" AND SINCE I AM THE ONLY PERSON WHO CAN "SPEAK" FOR ME, AND THE COURTS WILL AGREE AND YOU WERE ALREADY TOLD AND WARNED, EITHER RETRACT YOUR STATEMENT OR I WILL SUE.

I REMIND YOU THAT THE COURTS WILL TAKE MY SIDE, SINCE YOU WERE NOT ONLY TOLD, BUT THEY WILL NOT LET YOU "SPEAK" FOR ME, — I DO!

ALSO, BEING IN THE EU, I ONLY NEED PROVE YOU ARE WRONG, AND THAT IS A FORMALITY. I DO NOT HAVE TO SHOW INTENT.

YOU HAVE UNTIL MARCH 24, 2010 TO CORRECT AND RETRACT OR REMOVE YOUR STATEMENT, OR I WILL SUE YOU.

I am now visiting a lawyer, he WILL contact you by the end of this week.

I am NOT "bluffing" — PLEASE try to call my "bluff."

I am also copying this email to my lawyer, so Michael save yourself a run in with the Courts and START TELLING THE PUBLIC THE TRUTH INSTEAD OF CONTINUING TO COMMIT CONSUMER FRAUD!

Only sincerely,

Kal Korff
President and CEO

cc: Arturo Colmenero, Attorney At Law — International Law and Intellectual Property Litigation


__________________
Michael Horn
Authorized American Media Representative
The Billy Meier Contacts
http://www.theyfly.com
Previous Topic | Next Topic
Print
Reply


Create your own forum with Website Toolbox!

Home | News | Products | UFO Photo Gallery | Free Downloads | Purchase Downloads
About Billy Meier | Chat Room | Forums | Affiliates | Events | UFO Glossary
FAQ | Media & Public Relations | About Steelmark