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http://www.figu.org/de/figu/bulletin/s25/the_newest.htm

 

I just want to get people's thoughs on this, first, I don't care if you think Billy is for real or it's just a hoax, I am just concentrating on this article, main points :

 

-Aliens just realized people lie

 Ok, if you are here before earth's civilizations started, im sorry but they seem like they arnt very smart aliens if they just found out people lie.

-Just found some technology to see further into time

 Ask any physisist to tell you how time travel can work, and you will soon realise that its a bit different than having an updated software or hardware to see further into time, it doesn't work that way.

-Billy is the only contact world wide

 Kind of egoistic, no?

-They visit only a few times

 Thousands of crop circles, pictures, video's, and a lot of personal experiences world wide all the time, almost daily visists in mexico.

 

I was wondering what the rest thinks of this, beleiver or non believer, and Please stick to the facts and points, don't try to get anything else involved in this, because I am tired of hearing other BS about anything else, if you want to BS about anything else, make your own thread.

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Excerpt from Special FIGU Bulletin #27 August 2006

http://www.figu.org/de/figu/bulletin/s27/kontaktberichte.htm

 

Look theone, I am bothering to respond to you in the hope that everything presented by billy can be honestly assessed by you instead of distorting the information that often shows your lack of integrity and the capacity to fully understand it as they really are.

 

Now for your information, the above bulletin #27 is a contact conversation that took place after 424th Contact, Saturday, June 17th 2006, 5:03 pm. This means you haven't kept up to date nor is #27 the last one, there is also #28. So in effect, the title you gave this thread is wrong.

 

Below is some excerpts from contact 424th

 

You need to understand that although it's translated from German, nonetheless the English language is inadequate to translate accurately to 100% that it is inevitable that there will exist some discrepancies and contradictions.

 

You must also when trying to deal with the naure of billy's contacts that, the so called 'plausible deniability factor' integrated into the case must be clearly understood and dealt with by whomever wants to get at the kernel of the truth about the case.

 

Another thing to remember is that, you have to stay neutral and literally be open minded, however strong your temptations to dismiss it and whatever your inner stirrings to want to not accept this be. 

 

 

 

Ptaah: Through the possibility, still incomprehensible for us, that human beings of earth are able to bathe in lies and presumptions, which do not represent the truth, we have, as already mentioned, let ourselves be deceived and led astray. The possibility to say something different than it is in truth, is the reason why we considered the alleged contact stories of various human beings of earth to be the truth, and designated people as contact persons who in reality had not been such.

 

Aliens just realized people lie

This is what you have said, now read Ptaah's response accurately.

Nowhere in the whole contact conversation did Ptaah allude to not having known about the fact that EARTH HUMANS LIE AND WE JUST FOUND THIS OUT which is the basis of your argument.

This indicates that you have misunderstood what Ptaah had said.

Ptaah That is right - for a long time, we were not able to watch altogether everything pertaining to flights of beings foreign to earth. But now through our newest technology, we could investigate the whole of the 19th and the 20th century, and the first years of the 21st century. The result of this investigation is that it is how I told you on my last visit on June 10th, and how I have said it now. The fact is, that since 1800 until now 2006 the flying objects observed from outer space solely belonged to us Plejarens and the five others mentioned who joined our federation and those we could not contact and have remained foreign to us. The thing about Roswell is another and special case, because back then bioorganic androids were found. And one also has to say now, that when flying machines as well as telemeter discs originating from outer space are seen, then these belong only to us Plejarens and our federation. Contacts with earthlings do not take place, and apart from the contact with you, no other contacts exist. That will only change when other beings foreign to earth land openly and take up contacts, which will only happen then when we have left.

 

-Just found some technology to see further into time

 Ask any physisist to tell you how time travel can work, and you will soon realise that its a bit different than having an updated software or hardware to see further into time, it doesn't work that way.

 

This I have to admit clearly shows the level of your ignorance to the case, about what ET factors that helped shape the foundation of our enormous progress in this century and about physics at the current terrestrial level.

 

The fact that our current scientific potential is still in it's infancy compared to ET civilizations must surely be considered by anyone who thinks that with our current level of scientific prowess, we can adequately explain and judge Et technology. This is egoism at its worse.

The fact is, the ETs have helped us develop to the level that we are at now.

 

I'll endeavour to provide you with the source of the scientists names and what they are saying about the potentials of time travel and why its possible. Let me just dig it up.

 

Billy is the only contact world wide

 Kind of egoistic, no?

-They visit only a few times

 Thousands of crop circles, pictures, video's, and a lot of personal experiences world wide all the time, almost daily visists in mexico

 

Go back and read the other contact notes preceding this one and you'll realise what the nature of contact actually constitutes.

 

Impulse contacts, face to face contacts, ufo sightings, channeling, telepathic contacts etc.

The definitions you must clear up

 

The materials from other sources that purported to deal with contacts with ETs, you must also sift and separate before you come to your decisions on whether its true or not.

 

Do you realise that there are terrestrials ufo crafts already in existence, developed by various governments around the world such as Russia, China, Canada, USA, UK?

There are also transnational entities with no oversight by what we understand to be the governments that are funding and developing these technologies which had been tested as far back as kenneth Arnold's time.

The scientists miethe, schauberger, Schriever, Habermohl, Bellozo were the primary developers of terrestrial UFOs as far back as the late 1920's early 30's which the plejarens have sent through impulse telepathic means, the information necessary to develop them for peace purposes.

The sighting of terrestrial crafts can be mistaken for ET ufos but this in no way constitutes a real contact, it's only observation.

 

BTW, the plejarens or Ptaah did mention it to Billy that 12 per year flights are performed nowadays which has drastically reduced from the mid to late 70's

 

As many as 3000 have been performed as you can read it for yourself in the contact link you've provided.

 

So there, if you have read this far, I admire your diligence and tanacity.

Just remember, honesty is the best policy wherever you are and whomever you deal with.

 

 

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Maybe somebody knows the Internet address were I get to download Billy Meier full contact reports.

I mean at start: (Contact 1, 28.jan 1975) to the (Contact 424, 17.jun 2006)

 

Thanks !

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Hi Gerd

 

That won't be possible unless you were expecting to pay for them. 

You need to do some searching especially at the Amazon.com for wendelle stevens contact from the pleiades series.

Nothing is free in this world, anything you want, you must work for them, so don't expect any handouts and likewise, the effort that many people had put in towards getting these books published should be recognised and recompensed for.

 

Go to:

 

http://www.gaiaguys.net/Meier.htm

 

 

This will give you a start on where to find what.

 

 

http://www.gaiaguys.net/Meier.txt

 

 

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That won't be possible unless you were expecting to pay for them. 

No problem to pay if contact in digital version.

 

> You need to do some searching especially at the Amazon.com for wendelle > stevens contact from the pleiades series.

Thanks put I know that

 

Nothing is free in this world,

Time to chains "your" world !

 

anything you want, you must work for them,

Yes this is true ...

 

so don't expect any handouts and likewise,

Why not, maybe I have something to bargain ! 

 

the effort that many people had put in towards getting these books published should be recognised and recompensed for.

Sorry but asking money in this Billy Meier contact case is very last thing to too !

I understand Billy Meier start write the book(s) in one reason, spread the true !

Okei in the 1970 - 87, the book was the only way to spread the world, now is year 2006 ! Time to chains this system ...

 

 

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Gerd, I realise the English language is not your mother tongue, So essentially what I am saying is that, if I am not wrong, You are expecting Billy to dish out everything for free because it's the year 2006?

 

Such sentiments are very selfish of you, knowing that Billy has sacrificed so much to get the truth out.

Everyone including Billy should be compensated for the honest and hard work that they've put in which most of us take for granted.

Now how much more depraved are the people who don't take into consideration all the hardship that others have gone towards any endeavour, that we benefit so much from and then expecting everything to be handed to them on a silver platter speaks more about how childish they are than the person who through the non-profit organization that they've set up to help others, all they are asking is that people contribute something towards the altruistic endeavours to which if FIGU was the redcross, nobody would have a qualms about donating their money, even if all they get back is a sense of satisfaction in knowing that they've helped somebody in need.  

 

Now I hope I have mistaken the meaning of your words, otherwise, you are nothing but a scab who has a mindset that is not liberal, generous, helpful and compassionate but instead one that drains and pulls people down by your own selfish thinking.

 

If somebody like you asked me, 'Then what the f**k have you contributed to the cause'? well not much in the eyes of the grand scheme of things but I do my part when and where I can to spread the truth both on the internet, word of mouth, through handing out materials to enlighten others of Billy's work and working diligently on myself to align myself to the Creational natural laws and commandments, so that each day that I live, I have a contributing and positive influence by example to others around me, so that they in turn can learn a few things about themselves and the nature of what constitutes a good conduct. Suffice to say, it's not blowing my own trumpet as the road to self discovery, self reflection, self honesty, self control, self alignments, ethical and moral lifestyle in this day and age is very difficult indeed but nonetheless, those that have recognised the truth must at some point in time tread this difficult path and hence one is not perfect, therefore one falls from time to time, making 3 steps then back 2 steps, in this never ending path towards that which shapes internally the factor of power that gets stronger as one diligently works at developing the spirit inside oneself.

 

I hope you get my meaning

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Thanks for replay

 

> Gerd, I realise the English language is not your mother tongue,

That's right and cacography is inevitable !

 

You are expecting Billy to dish out everything for free because it's the year 2006?

Who said "everything" ?  Contact notes was very good start ...

 

Such sentiments are very selfish of you, knowing that Billy has sacrificed so much to get the truth out.

Question how many Billy Meier books, DVD or VHS You bought ?

Take the picture of this ... then I proof my collection .... ;-)

 

Selfish - is not right world for me, maybe I so stupid and I´m doing so much stuff for FREE !

 

Everyone including Billy should be compensated for the honest and hard work that they've put in which most of us take for granted.

You mean MONEY is "compensated for the honest" ?

This is old thinking colleague !

 

Now how much more depraved are the people who don't take into consideration all the hardship that others have gone towards any endeavor, that we benefit so much from and then expecting everything to be handed to them on a silver platter speaks more about how childish they are than the person who through the non-profit organization that they've set up to help others, all they are asking is that people contribute something towards the altruistic endeavours to which if FIGU was the redcross, nobody would have a qualms about donating their money, even if all they get back is a sense of satisfaction in knowing that they've helped somebody in need. 

... nothing to say in short version

 

Now I hope I have mistaken the meaning of your words, otherwise, you are nothing but a scab who has a mindset that is not liberal, generous, helpful and compassionate but instead one that drains and pulls people down by your own selfish thinking.

 

Acumen men  

 

 

If somebody like you asked me, 'Then what the f**k have you contributed to the cause'? well not much in the eyes of the grand scheme of things but I do my part when and where I can to spread the truth both on the internet, word of mouth,

 

Maybe this is selfish !

 

word, through handing out materials to enlighten others of Billy's work and working diligently on myself to align myself to the Creational natural laws and commandments,

"through handing out materials to enlighten others of Billy's work " - is this the same what I´m telling .... ?

 

 

so that each day that I live, I have a contributing and positive influence by example to others around me, so that they in turn can learn a few things about themselves and the nature of what constitutes a good conduct.

 

Good ! The same thing in here ...

 

Suffice to say, it's not blowing my own trumpet as the road to self discovery, self reflection, self honesty, self control, self alignments, ethical and moral lifestyle in this day and age is very difficult indeed but nonetheless, those that have recognised the truth must at some point in time tread this difficult path and hence one is not perfect, therefore one falls from time to time, making 3 steps then back 2 steps, in this never ending path towards that which shapes internally the factor of power that gets stronger as one diligently works at developing the spirit inside oneself.

 

I hope you get my meaning

 

I know You reaction before You writing this ... first clue is your name and blank profile :-)

Fear sitting inside You or what ?

Fear vanish when you know where You coming and going !

---------

 

That´s right, Billy staff is mention to  the open mind human !

Open minded humans is the FUTURE and the key to the peaceful planet ...

 

Socialism, capitalism is in ending state !

 

I hope we see the new version "Soc-capitalism"

At list Europe moving this way ...

 

;-)

 

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To Gerd

 

Acumen is for those that exploit not the ones that give.

 

FIGU is a non-profit organisation, money doesn't grow on trees and we are still living in a world dominated by the capitalistic monetary financial system, therefore do you expect FIGU to pull out loads of money out of their own bum holes.

 

Yes I own books such as  and still they fly, TJ and others and yes paid with my own hard earned money, So what! are you going to reduce this dialogue into a childish playschool antics of who owns more of what and why. Is reducing this discussion that low the only point that you can get out of it?

 

Suffice to say, this isn't the only forum I participate in nor have I not given my name at the end of a post or in an email header with my real name on it from time to time on other forums.

Does that mean anything, I really don't think so nor is your childish short sighted deduction about the absence of some profile information of mine here on this forum reach any conclusive logical reasoning other than reaffirming my own perception of you as another silly argumentative soothsayer who is two penny short of there.

 

Besides Gerd, there are times to listen, there are times to talk, there are times to think, there are times to accept and then there are time to bite your lips and be wise enough to heed to the advice of others no matter how hard the truth is to accept. You have done none of the above, Looks like you are too proud of yourself. What is this but being truly the seeing blind. I hope you heed this advice for your own benefit.

 

Cheers.

Matt

 

 

  

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To Matt

 

> Acumen is for those that exploit not the ones that give.

"Acumen" strange put this word mean to our dictionary "läbinägelik" this mean "You see TRUE-face of this person" !? ... 

 

> FIGU is a non-profit organisation,

I know that, but Billy has the chance to resolve money problem !

And He decide to not take that ...

 

> money doesn't grow on trees and we are still living in a world dominated by the capitalistic monetary financial system,

Idea is the money-tree ! 

 ... and I see you like that "dominated world" order ...

 

> therefore do you expect FIGU to pull out loads of money out of their own bum holes.

That´s my thought, but FIGU need to refresh his strategy thinking.

 

> Yes I own books such as  and still they fly, TJ and others and yes paid with > my own hard earned money, So what!

Thanks for this answer !

"So what" - You not proof that !?

We hoping in Steelmark site to find True or at least proof ....

 

> are you going to reduce this dialogue into a childish playschool antics of

> who owns more of what and why.

This is childish to me ...

We stepping on the open-mind knife-edge and we need the proof  ...

 

> Is reducing this discussion that low the only point that you can get out of it ?

What is the "low point" for You !?

I  understand this is You help to the people who searching the light !

thanks tEACHER ...

 

> Suffice to say, this isn't the only forum I participate in nor have I not given my name at the end of a post or in an email header with my real name on it from time to time on other forums.

 

This is not excuse !

 

 

Does that mean anything, I really don't think so nor is your childish short sighted deduction about the absence of some profile information of mine here on this forum reach any conclusive logical reasoning other than reaffirming my own perception of you as another silly argumentative soothsayer who is two penny short of there.

 

"person garbage" is the clue or answer !   (criminologist point of view)

 

"Does that mean anything, I really don't think so nor is your childish short sighted deduction"

 

) This mean more then You understand (in this moment)

 

Besides Gerd, there are times to listen, there are times to talk, there are times to think, there are times to accept and then there are time to bite your lips and be wise enough to heed to the advice of others no matter how hard the truth is to accept.

 

> there are times to listen, there are times to talk, there are times to think,

There are time to SEE and ACT also ! 

 

What is the word "TRUTH" for You ?!

 

 

You have done none of the above,

Looks like you are too proud of yourself. What is this but being truly the seeing blind. I hope you heed this advice for your own benefit.

 

"You have done none of the above," 

This is only Your decision !

 

*Russian army in the WWII also free the Baltic state - or slave it !?

 

Vaatame, kas Sa suudad ka minu keelt rääkida.

Mina Sinu keelt vähemalt suudan :-)

 

 

OK !

 

Gerd

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Gerd

 

Look Gerd, from the bottom of your heart, I realise you mean well, it's just that with any language, you need to polish it a bit further if you want to avoid future misunderstanding.

 

I am sure you are more intelligent than your ability to express yourself in another language

 

The English lanuage is not my mother tongue either, but the more we work at it as with any other things in life, the more we become good at it.

 

Trouble with electronic communication is that often, the presence of the other person is absent which leaves alot to the imagination of the person to fill in and it is always subject to error.

 

I don't wish to concede to irrational demands nor do I play servile role to the whims of people's prejudices, who are they to judge if that judgement is based on flawed logic and from false premise. So I'll leave it there, lest this turns into a slugfest.

 

In the mean time, I am sure you could work at improving your english so that we can be of help to each other instead of being detracted by our need to correct each other.

 

 

Cheers.

gerd

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Jesus asked God for knowledge and understanding.  God said, that will be $24.60 please. Could you imagine such a thing?

Or, how did Jesus put it?  "...give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's..."when asked about paying tribute to Caesar.  Did Jesus charge 2 dollars a head for entry to the sermon on the mount?  What about Budhha?  I wonder what he charged for a concert, or, a private session?  We all have to make a living.  But, I always thought a prophet had no concern for such things.  Maybe I was wrong. 


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Hi Everybody,

When we direct words and thoughts [sub-atomic particles] at people, situations, events, etc, etc, we need to be very careful.

The Universe Of Mind works in 'amounts' and does not perceive linear time constructs, that are nothing more than the models of academic institutions.

By way of example, if Billy says somehting 'last month' [one mind], and if a thousand of you [1000 minds] all focus back in 'time' to the very moment that Billy said that thing, then all you have done is to make it much harder for Billy to think and speak clearly when he did.

If you 'think' of last week, then you make atomic contact with 'last week', and if you 'think' of next week, then you make atomic contact with next week. It's as simple as that. This is why the Ascended Masters tell us that 'THERE IS ONLY NOW'.

If Billy has a very stong will [which I know he does], then it is unlikely that you will 'force' him to say things that he would not have done otherwise [even back in 'time']. Though, in the case of a weak-willed person, that is exactly what you will do. Be aware that there is a wealth of sociology and psychology around the subject of people being largely the result of all the 'stories' [sub-atomic particles] directed at them from others. Yes, this is a sad fact, as many people never got to follow their destiny, as all they become is what other people have coerced them to be.

So let us please be aware that sending waves of sub-atomic nagativity back in 'time' to the very moment that Billy was making his comments in, can never be seen to be useful.

I have designed an animated essay that makes clear how non-linear time really works, and if you follow the link below, you will see what I am speaking of here.

http://www.signofjonah.co.uk/lessons_14/sign_of_jonah/vol7_fourthd/fourthd.htm

Please check this link, as it will help you all immensely.

John Grau - The One That Was Jonah


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eye believe Billy has had contact..but your information was very interesting 2 read....open your heart not just your mind!!!!


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