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This is a photo showing a model of a UFO found in Billy Meier's barn!

http://www.psychicinvestigator.com/demo/UFO_Skp.htm

The Meier story seems again to be one of UFOlogies great Hoax stories in a simialr vein as that of George Adamski. If anyone doubts that the Meier case is HOAX then they are a fool. They should read Kal Korffs excellent book about the Meier Case as he destroys all of Meiers evidence.
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http://meiercase.0x2a.info/meiercase/001/article.php?id=40&sn=0

ET, I think you should check out the above link before you pass comment on Korff's book

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Hi Matt ;

Yeah, those models were made to show what a MODEL really looks like . And compared to the REAL photographs , they in fact do show a difference . Thanks Matt , for telling it like it is .

OK , so for the neurotics out there here it is for you :

1. Billy made a model to show what a MODEL looks like .

2. Billy took REAL photos of Beamships ,and they LOOK DIFFERENT.

3. That's all, there is to this .Really .


Mark


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ET, tread carefully my friend, the Meier Fans tend to be a hostile bunch. We've known for years that Billy "Hubcaps" is a FRAUD, but you can lead a horse... IE: you can show a Meier Believer all the damning evidence there is that proves he (Meier) is a fraud, but they will defend him to the end. Of course Lee and Brit Elders, Wendelle Kidtoucher, and Michael Horn all know Meier IS a fraud, but they all have personal interests ($$$) in the Meier case, and will continue to endorse every ridiculous claim that Meier makes (as well as try to hide the claims that are just too ridiculous to believe). Did you see the dinosaur and caveman photos that we weren't supposed to see? Shot with Billy's trusty camera right from his TV screen (along with many other of his "Time travel" shots that were "recalled" by the "Pleiadians" because even an Alien knows that only a moron would believe in those photos.
Let's face it folks, Billy Meier has brought a lot of harm to the legitimacy study of Ufology.
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I'm only interested in truth, irregardless of where it leads. 

 Are you saying all of these people are liars?  Have you contacted them to rebute the linked statements?  Have you seen them fail a lie detector test?  Just the facts M'aam.......

http://www.tjresearch.info/witness.htm

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ET, tread carefully my friend, the Meier Fans tend to be a hostile bunch. We've known for years that Billy "Hubcaps" is a FRAUD, but you can lead a horse... IE: you can show a Meier Believer all the damning evidence there is that proves he (Meier) is a fraud, but they will defend him to the end.

"tend to be a hostile bunch". That's pretty funny there Hugh. Could you provide an example of this hostility?

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Of course Lee and Brit Elders, Wendelle Kidtoucher, and Michael Horn all know Meier IS a fraud, but they all have personal interests ($$$) in the Meier case, and will continue to endorse every ridiculous claim that Meier makes (as well as try to hide the claims that are just too ridiculous to believe). Did you see the dinosaur and caveman photos that we weren't supposed to see? Shot with Billy's trusty camera right from his TV screen (along with many other of his "Time travel" shots that were "recalled" by the "Pleiadians" because even an Alien knows that only a moron would believe in those photos.


If you're going make claims, back it up with documentation. Please show me clearly in black and white where Meier said that he photographed the caveman and dinosaur photos that were publicly circulated (the ones that showed the edge of a curved screen).

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Let's face it folks, Billy Meier has brought a lot of harm to the legitimacy study of Ufology.


So Hugh, let's sum up here what you're essentially asking me and all other supporters of the reality of Meier's contacts to believe:

Meier is a super-genius in:

Photography
Filmmaking
Video Production
Special Effects
Model-Making
Digital Effects
Sound Engineering
Metallurgy
Physics
Astrophysics
Mathematics
Astronomy
Agronomy
Environmental Sciences
Meteorology
History (and Pre-History)
Clairvoyance
Mass Hypnosis, etc., etc.

And that his record of 50-years of prophetically accurate scientific and world event-related information must have been the result of 10,000 monkeys locked away in a barn and typing away feverishly for decades to randomly produce all of the information...without simultaneously producing volumes of erroneous information.

And that he accomplished all of this:

While raising a family
Without any financial resources
While working as a night watchman
Without any technological resources
While being observed by his neighbors
While renovating a rundown farmhouse
Without any collaborators or co-conspirators
While dodging 19 (documented) assassination attempts
While his physical evidence remains irreproducible to this day
While being investigated and observed for six years by the investigators and intelligence agencies from several countries (one of them even confirmed by former NATO and SHAPE Commander, Sgt. Major Robert Dean, to have watched Meier for years and determined Meier was indeed having contacts).

And while there have been:

Over 100 witnesses
At least five other photographers
Over 15 witnesses who took and completely passed lie detector tests
A retired UN diplomat who personally witnessed Meier, the craft and an ET (including his ex-wife who originally documented her own sightings in and around Meier's residence before "changing" her story after their divorce)
An abundance of credible scientific experts who've validated the authenticity of his evidence

...and that ALL of this was accomplished over the past 62 years by a one-armed man.

Sorry, but I'd rather err on the side of logic, reason and rational thinking than where you're asking me to go.

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First off, I must apologize for my harshness on my post. Believe it or not, I stumbled upon this board without realizing it is part of a Pro Meier site. Had I known, I probably would not have posted at all. But since I have, and have gotten your attention, I'll give you some of my reasons for my opinions on the Meier case.

OK, so I guess if I don't have documentation on the Meier case, then I'm all wrong, but, by the same token, then I guess you have all the documentation to counterclaim my statements, Marc? I'll admit that I was a bit abrasive in my comments, I was, for many years a believer in Billy Meier. Much like you, I was taken by his photos and I was hooked. During the years, I've read many of Meier's teachings (which I hardly found fascinating, but that's my humble opinion), I've read books from the believers and the nonbelievers (which I think everybody should, if they want to draw their own, unbiased conclusion). I've purchased photos, books, and videos from Genesis III, and read countless debates from both sides over the case. I know a lot of people won't like my opinion, but I believe the man is a fraud. I don't think it's fair to count Meier's followers as "witnesses." From all that I've read, pretty much everybody who has been declared a witness in the Meier case were already visiting Meier's farm as a believer or follower. Seeing a bright light rising in a dense, dark nightforest can hardly be considered witnessing a miracle. Ever tie a lit fuse to a few helium balloons at night? Also, I would suspect that Meier did have accomplices, and accomplices can easily pose as witnesses. Just like a magician, a good hoaxer can convince people that they just saw or witnessed just about anything. Remember, there was much excitement built up around Meier's contacts. People will swear to seeing just about anything if they feel it can make them become a part of that experience, and gain Meier's approval and acceptance.

Why do people assume that a man with a sixth grade education has no intelligence? There were, and are many men and women in this world that have had little education and have gone on to become successful individuals and creators without the aid of a college education. To say that Meier could never have faked this case because he is a simple, uneducated man is an opinion, not a fact. Some of the greatest minds in the history of mankind came from very humble beginnings.
I feel that to claim that Meier would need to be a "super genius" in your long list of fields is a bit of an exaggeration. Although I'll admit that I haven't read any of his "teachings" in nearly ten years, and I don't know what he has added to them since that time, from what I have read, I'd hardly consider him a genius on any level. I'll bet he has had a lot to say after the fact (let me guess, he saw events like 9/11 coming but only commented on it after it occurred). He can tell us "something big" is going to happen soon, but I could say the same thing, it doesn't make me a seer. Hindsight is not prophecy, and as Meier will say he knows of events and their dates occurring in the future, why can't he tell us the details of these events and their specific dates. Spare me the Pleiadians cannot intervene with the earthman speech, that is pure snakeoil...

While Meier's photos are impressive (who wasn't blown away the first time they saw them?) they are hardly the work a genius photographer. As I've stated, I do believe Meier has had accomplices. As far as my memory recalls, Meier has yet to submit an "original" negative (the one that went through the camera) to anyone for analysis, and until that time, they cannot be considered "proof" of anything. They are great photos, but not proof of aliens from another universe visiting our planet. As we should all know by now, it really isn't that difficult to fake a UFO photograph. Of course, the beautiful Swiss Countryside does make the photos look even more appealing. I do find it rather convenient for Meier that the Caveman, Dinosaur, and other "less convincing" photos were either "recalled" by the Pleiadians, or switched by MIB's, or both. It reminds me how a compulsive liar will create ten additional lies to cover up the first lie he tells.

Yes, Billy Meier was raising a family, and on a very limited income. That is what we call Motive. Billy Meier has made and continues to prosper from selling his materials. His believers even raised the $240,000.00 in 1977 to purchase he and his family a fifty acre farm. That's probably the equivalent of a couple million dollars in today's currency (it was nearly 30 years ago). Oh, and you forgot, Meier was an Unemployed night watchman, with a lot of spare time on his hands, while he shot most of those photos. Marc, how do you know he didn't have any collaborators or conspirators? It seems that you take a lot of what you read as gospel, but yet demand documentation for any discrepancies in your beliefs. Speaking of documentation, I'd like to see the documentation and/or investigations of 19 assassination attempts on Meier's life. As far as I know, there aren't any...
Meier was pretty much ignored by his neighbors, not followed or watched. They only observed him leaving his house (in Hinwill) on his moped, or loafing about. Almost all of them considered him a fraud from the beginning, and none of them ever saw these UFO's he photographed anywhere in their skies.

Let us not forget that Billy Meier has stated that he is THE ONLY HUMAN BEING that is having contact with Aliens from another planet. If you do believe this, then you must believe that ALL other UFO Contactees are frauds. I also find it very convenient for Meier that the Pleiadians no longer physically contact him, but now do so through telepathy only. Too bad, no more UFO sightings or new photos. Even his ex-wife has admitted that he is a fraud. Too bad their marriage went sour, but I bet Billy has a lot of pretty young female followers to tout his stories to. Stories are something Billy Meier has a lot of, from going back in time and meeting Jesus Christ, to claiming he, himself IS Christ reincarnated. Sure sounds like the words of a cult leader to me.

The initial story of Billy Meier is a very alluring one. A simple, uneducated, poor, one-armed farmer living in Switzerland goes out with his camera. He has no special knowledge about photography, philosophy or astronomy and comes back with great photos and stories of his experiences with aliens from space.... He's the perfect candidate for a UFO Contactee. The story is fascinating and very easy to believe, especially if you already have an interest in UFO's and the unknown. But if you look into that story, all is not so crystal clear, so cut and dry... there are cracks and flaws. Many people don't want to see them, they want to believe, and I did too, for many years. I came to a point that I started to question my own instinctive belief in this man. This doesn't make me right, you wrong. It is my opinion, just like you have yours. I doubt that any of us will ever know for certain. If he is a fraud, his ego will never confess to it and he will carry it to his grave. If he is legitimate, the Pleiadians have done a very poor job considering that Meier himself has stated that it is the Pleiadian's mission to be known to the people of Earth through his (Meier's) words and images.

Please don't tell me that Meier hasn't prospered through all of this, he certainly has. The truth of the matter is Billy Meier has prospered both financially and, I think more importantly to him, he has prospered in his quest to be somebody in this world.
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Hi hughbett

>"I would suspect that Meier did have accomplices...."

>" I do believe Meier has had accomplices...."

When did we start to believe in something?

Believe means something without proof.....

Can you post something more solid please
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Hey Savio,

You say,

"Believe means something without proof....."

Really? That's a new concept to me.

To believe is something considered as truth regardless of

proof or not.





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First off, I must apologize for my harshness on my post.

NP. We all have our days.  I appreciate you taking the time to explain your position.

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... but, by the same token, then I guess you have all the documentation to counterclaim my statements, Marc?

Depends on your definition of counterclaim, but, yes, I either have documentation that supports what I state or have access to it.

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During the years, I've read many of Meier's teachings (which I hardly found fascinating, but that's my humble opinion), I've read books from the believers and the nonbelievers (which I think everybody should, if they want to draw their own, unbiased conclusion). I've purchased photos, books, and videos from Genesis III, and read countless debates from both sides over the case. I know a lot of people won't like my opinion, but I believe the man is a fraud.

I think it's fair to say all of us have taken decidedly different paths even though we may have hit upon similar items along the way. e.g. I have purchased books, photos, videos, etc., just like you. But I also read many of the German books and booklets written by Meier and /or the group FIGU which go into much, much more detail about Meier, his personal thoughts on matters, the Plejaren, their philosophies, their stated agendas, what the big picture is all about and so on and so forth. I also visited Billy and the people over there and got to know many of them, having long, intense discussions with them while being able to look them straight in the eye. My point here is, this has gone a long way for me in taking the position I take today.

This is just like anything in life. I think most of the religions of the world are hoaxes and fraudulent, but that's because of my experiences with or without them and what answers have either satisfied me or not. Do I wish they would stop brain-washing masses of "followers" (some of them even being my own family members)? Yes!! But it's an individual thing and I choose to leave them be since they will either a) ultimately be correct, b) ultimately be wrong, but having had something to help get themselves through this thing called life, or c) never come to know whether they were ever really right or wrong! Any of these "doors" are ultimately acceptable since it is THEIR life and THEIR experiences in it that matter, not what I think about them.

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I don't think it's fair to count Meier's followers as "witnesses." From all that I've read, pretty much everybody who has been declared a witness in the Meier case were already visiting Meier's farm as a believer or follower. Seeing a bright light rising in a dense, dark nightforest can hardly be considered witnessing a miracle. Ever tie a lit fuse to a few helium balloons at night? Also, I would suspect that Meier did have accomplices, and accomplices can easily pose as witnesses. Just like a magician, a good hoaxer can convince people that they just saw or witnessed just about anything.

See, the key phrase you used is "From all that I've read..." It's all about what path you've taken to get to the point you're at now. I'm not trying to imply you're not qualified to have the opinions you have. But it's funny that you see the people over in Schmidrueti as "followers" because that's exactly the opposite of what I witnessed when I came to know many of the ordinary, hard-working, self-thinking people over there. That's not to say that there is no chance in hell you'll find a person or several over there who don't think for themselves and are not completely autonomous with regard to their thinking and actions. I'd probably have to live there a while to know this for sure. But I can only tell you that blind, devoted allegience to Meier, ETs, and/or their philosophies is not what it's about over there, at least not what I've seen. As a matter of fact, the generally used concept of belief (as it applies in a faith-based manner) in anything is essentially shunned since it implies blind acceptance or, in the least, a strong measure of trust or faith without having gathered facts based on empirical evidences and so forth. Most of the people there have seen the large, metallic crafts flying overhead, or they have witnessed Meier instantly disappearing when he was brought aboard a ship and a host of other phenomena (see And Still They Fly for a dozen or more eyewitness testimonials or the 500-page Book of Proof by Billy Meier ("Zeugenbuch", German only)).

Now I haven't seen a ship myself, but I've gathered enough material from all facets of this case to make a preliminary "decision", let's call it, that Meier has most likely been and still is in contact with some higher intelligences and that he is who he says he is -- a liaison between these higher intelligences and the general public of earth. Can I prove it unequivocally myself? No. Am I taking everything that comes out of Meier's mouth as gospel? I don't think so. Am I still open, even a little, to the possibility that it's all an elaborate hoax? Yes. But just as a jury would in a court case which many times determines the life or death of a human being, I can only factor in the weight of the preponderence of evidences gathered thus far from the incredible scope of this case and go from there. But please... keep in mind that my experiences or those of other supporters of the case and the information I have culled through may not necessarily be the same as yours and what you have gone through. I think that's a critical point that "believers" and "non-believers" need to really consider, so that there can be a little more understanding.

By the way:  Meier's answer to a question on belief/faith pretty much sums up what they feel about it:  http://www.billymeier.com/QandA/question8.html 

There's much more I wanted to answer to your last post, since you have made several assumptions that are just incorrect, but also made some good points that I wanted to acknowledge. Let me come back to this thread when I get another chance and hopefully I can do so.

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Thank you Marc for your very fair comments and for sharing your personal experiences and insight into Billy Meier and his devoted followers.

Regardless of my beliefs, I always thought Meier was/is a fascinating person. As for your comments on most organized religions, I couldn't agree with you more. I've spent countless hours debating my own family members too (I gave up!).

I looked back at my original posting and cringed, and I must give you praise for leaving it there. I'm sure you could have easily deleted it, but instead show you are a bigger person than that.

I must say, after reading many interesting posts and other content on this sight, I'm very impressed. I remember nearly twenty years ago when I had first heard of Billy Meier, I could only dream of having so much in-depth information about him and his experiences at my fingertips (I think I spent another ten years just waiting to meet someone else who had even heard of him!).

Thanks again,

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Hi Hugh

My understanding on "believe" :

If it is a fact, we do not have to believe, we surely accept it as reality. We "believe" because we are not sure, cannot be verified or not yet verified.

For example:

We usually say: "This is my father". Because, we are 100% sure who the man is, we can always verify this and accepted this is a fact. When we say: "I believe this is my father", we mean we are not sure.. at least not yet proved the case.

We usually say: "I have a dollar". Because, we are 100% sure about this and can always verify this and accept this a fact. When we say : " I believe I have a dollar", we mean we are not sure.. at least not yet proved the case.

This is why religion followers are called believers, because they cannot prove the existence of their gods, they just believe in something without proving it.

There is no "believe" in front of fact.

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Hi Matt ;

Yeah, those models were made to show what a MODEL really looks like . And compared to the REAL photographs , they in fact do show a difference . Thanks Matt , for telling it like it is .

OK , so for the neurotics out there here it is for you :

1. Billy made a model to show what a MODEL looks like .

2. Billy took REAL photos of Beamships ,and they LOOK DIFFERENT.

3. That's all, there is to this .Really .


Mark

I totally agree with Mark - LOL*

but i do not have any comments on the neurotic part of it


Weird - And Mark if you have anymore to say about - Why He made all these weird stories after... I would think that's where the simple answer are..

Some of it are true - Some are made up - For some reason (the still Unknown factor)

Go check out Billy Meier's explanation here..  http://www.billymeier.com/QandA/question8.html

I just found this photo on the net Strong wind from East

 

 

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I will not debate the truth of the Miers case.  I do know that he studies the Upanishads and Vedas, and when you learn to meditate to the degree of Pratyhara you begin to KNOW things, and being do come and DOWLOAD information to you.

My experince with these things were not ET but Illuinated see through beings... but our world is a PROJECTED DREAM MACHINE so I would say, that the information comes to you in the way you perceive higher wisdom will come.

The only question I would have is, why would you need models of UFO's if you are already having real UFO appear to you.

But, this is none of my business.....  if you receive something that assist you in your own evolution, don't kill or murder the message giver... bless them for serving you today.

Much respect for all.

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First off, I must apologize for my harshness on my post. Believe it or not, I stumbled upon this board without realizing it is part of a Pro Meier site. Had I known, I probably would not have posted at all. But since I have, and have gotten your attention, I'll give you some of my reasons for my opinions on the Meier case.

OK, so I guess if I don't have documentation on the Meier case, then I'm all wrong, but, by the same token, then I guess you have all the documentation to counterclaim my statements, Marc? I'll admit that I was a bit abrasive in my comments, I was, for many years a believer in Billy Meier. Much like you, I was taken by his photos and I was hooked. During the years, I've read many of Meier's teachings (which I hardly found fascinating, but that's my humble opinion), I've read books from the believers and the nonbelievers (which I think everybody should, if they want to draw their own, unbiased conclusion). I've purchased photos, books, and videos from Genesis III, and read countless debates from both sides over the case. I know a lot of people won't like my opinion, but I believe the man is a fraud. I don't think it's fair to count Meier's followers as "witnesses." From all that I've read, pretty much everybody who has been declared a witness in the Meier case were already visiting Meier's farm as a believer or follower. Seeing a bright light rising in a dense, dark nightforest can hardly be considered witnessing a miracle. Ever tie a lit fuse to a few helium balloons at night? Also, I would suspect that Meier did have accomplices, and accomplices can easily pose as witnesses. Just like a magician, a good hoaxer can convince people that they just saw or witnessed just about anything. Remember, there was much excitement built up around Meier's contacts. People will swear to seeing just about anything if they feel it can make them become a part of that experience, and gain Meier's approval and acceptance.

Why do people assume that a man with a sixth grade education has no intelligence? There were, and are many men and women in this world that have had little education and have gone on to become successful individuals and creators without the aid of a college education. To say that Meier could never have faked this case because he is a simple, uneducated man is an opinion, not a fact. Some of the greatest minds in the history of mankind came from very humble beginnings.
I feel that to claim that Meier would need to be a "super genius" in your long list of fields is a bit of an exaggeration. Although I'll admit that I haven't read any of his "teachings" in nearly ten years, and I don't know what he has added to them since that time, from what I have read, I'd hardly consider him a genius on any level. I'll bet he has had a lot to say after the fact (let me guess, he saw events like 9/11 coming but only commented on it after it occurred). He can tell us "something big" is going to happen soon, but I could say the same thing, it doesn't make me a seer. Hindsight is not prophecy, and as Meier will say he knows of events and their dates occurring in the future, why can't he tell us the details of these events and their specific dates. Spare me the Pleiadians cannot intervene with the earthman speech, that is pure snakeoil...

While Meier's photos are impressive (who wasn't blown away the first time they saw them?) they are hardly the work a genius photographer. As I've stated, I do believe Meier has had accomplices. As far as my memory recalls, Meier has yet to submit an "original" negative (the one that went through the camera) to anyone for analysis, and until that time, they cannot be considered "proof" of anything. They are great photos, but not proof of aliens from another universe visiting our planet. As we should all know by now, it really isn't that difficult to fake a UFO photograph. Of course, the beautiful Swiss Countryside does make the photos look even more appealing. I do find it rather convenient for Meier that the Caveman, Dinosaur, and other "less convincing" photos were either "recalled" by the Pleiadians, or switched by MIB's, or both. It reminds me how a compulsive liar will create ten additional lies to cover up the first lie he tells.

Yes, Billy Meier was raising a family, and on a very limited income. That is what we call Motive. Billy Meier has made and continues to prosper from selling his materials. His believers even raised the $240,000.00 in 1977 to purchase he and his family a fifty acre farm. That's probably the equivalent of a couple million dollars in today's currency (it was nearly 30 years ago). Oh, and you forgot, Meier was an Unemployed night watchman, with a lot of spare time on his hands, while he shot most of those photos. Marc, how do you know he didn't have any collaborators or conspirators? It seems that you take a lot of what you read as gospel, but yet demand documentation for any discrepancies in your beliefs. Speaking of documentation, I'd like to see the documentation and/or investigations of 19 assassination attempts on Meier's life. As far as I know, there aren't any...
Meier was pretty much ignored by his neighbors, not followed or watched. They only observed him leaving his house (in Hinwill) on his moped, or loafing about. Almost all of them considered him a fraud from the beginning, and none of them ever saw these UFO's he photographed anywhere in their skies.

Let us not forget that Billy Meier has stated that he is THE ONLY HUMAN BEING that is having contact with Aliens from another planet. If you do believe this, then you must believe that ALL other UFO Contactees are frauds. I also find it very convenient for Meier that the Pleiadians no longer physically contact him, but now do so through telepathy only. Too bad, no more UFO sightings or new photos. Even his ex-wife has admitted that he is a fraud. Too bad their marriage went sour, but I bet Billy has a lot of pretty young female followers to tout his stories to. Stories are something Billy Meier has a lot of, from going back in time and meeting Jesus Christ, to claiming he, himself IS Christ reincarnated. Sure sounds like the words of a cult leader to me.

The initial story of Billy Meier is a very alluring one. A simple, uneducated, poor, one-armed farmer living in Switzerland goes out with his camera. He has no special knowledge about photography, philosophy or astronomy and comes back with great photos and stories of his experiences with aliens from space.... He's the perfect candidate for a UFO Contactee. The story is fascinating and very easy to believe, especially if you already have an interest in UFO's and the unknown. But if you look into that story, all is not so crystal clear, so cut and dry... there are cracks and flaws. Many people don't want to see them, they want to believe, and I did too, for many years. I came to a point that I started to question my own instinctive belief in this man. This doesn't make me right, you wrong. It is my opinion, just like you have yours. I doubt that any of us will ever know for certain. If he is a fraud, his ego will never confess to it and he will carry it to his grave. If he is legitimate, the Pleiadians have done a very poor job considering that Meier himself has stated that it is the Pleiadian's mission to be known to the people of Earth through his (Meier's) words and images.

Please don't tell me that Meier hasn't prospered through all of this, he certainly has. The truth of the matter is Billy Meier has prospered both financially and, I think more importantly to him, he has prospered in his quest to be somebody in this world.

This is the best post I have read on this forum so far.

Bear in mind I pretty much believed the story as of a day ago, and am definitely NOT a sceptic in regards to UFOs etc.

Nonetheless, the Billy case is almost definitely a turning point in my life. I have realised not to believe something simply because you want it to be true.

In search of truth, J.
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