Originally Posted by MarkCampbell
Hi Matt ;

Yeah, those models were made to show what a MODEL really looks like . And compared to the REAL photographs , they in fact do show a difference . Thanks Matt , for telling it like it is .

OK , so for the neurotics out there here it is for you :

1. Billy made a model to show what a MODEL looks like .

2. Billy took REAL photos of Beamships ,and they LOOK DIFFERENT.

3. That's all, there is to this .Really .


Mark

Originally Posted by hughbett
First off, I must apologize for my harshness on my post. Believe it or not, I stumbled upon this board without realizing it is part of a Pro Meier site. Had I known, I probably would not have posted at all. But since I have, and have gotten your attention, I'll give you some of my reasons for my opinions on the Meier case.

OK, so I guess if I don't have documentation on the Meier case, then I'm all wrong, but, by the same token, then I guess you have all the documentation to counterclaim my statements, Marc? I'll admit that I was a bit abrasive in my comments, I was, for many years a believer in Billy Meier. Much like you, I was taken by his photos and I was hooked. During the years, I've read many of Meier's teachings (which I hardly found fascinating, but that's my humble opinion), I've read books from the believers and the nonbelievers (which I think everybody should, if they want to draw their own, unbiased conclusion). I've purchased photos, books, and videos from Genesis III, and read countless debates from both sides over the case. I know a lot of people won't like my opinion, but I believe the man is a fraud. I don't think it's fair to count Meier's followers as "witnesses." From all that I've read, pretty much everybody who has been declared a witness in the Meier case were already visiting Meier's farm as a believer or follower. Seeing a bright light rising in a dense, dark nightforest can hardly be considered witnessing a miracle. Ever tie a lit fuse to a few helium balloons at night? Also, I would suspect that Meier did have accomplices, and accomplices can easily pose as witnesses. Just like a magician, a good hoaxer can convince people that they just saw or witnessed just about anything. Remember, there was much excitement built up around Meier's contacts. People will swear to seeing just about anything if they feel it can make them become a part of that experience, and gain Meier's approval and acceptance.

Why do people assume that a man with a sixth grade education has no intelligence? There were, and are many men and women in this world that have had little education and have gone on to become successful individuals and creators without the aid of a college education. To say that Meier could never have faked this case because he is a simple, uneducated man is an opinion, not a fact. Some of the greatest minds in the history of mankind came from very humble beginnings.
I feel that to claim that Meier would need to be a "super genius" in your long list of fields is a bit of an exaggeration. Although I'll admit that I haven't read any of his "teachings" in nearly ten years, and I don't know what he has added to them since that time, from what I have read, I'd hardly consider him a genius on any level. I'll bet he has had a lot to say after the fact (let me guess, he saw events like 9/11 coming but only commented on it after it occurred). He can tell us "something big" is going to happen soon, but I could say the same thing, it doesn't make me a seer. Hindsight is not prophecy, and as Meier will say he knows of events and their dates occurring in the future, why can't he tell us the details of these events and their specific dates. Spare me the Pleiadians cannot intervene with the earthman speech, that is pure snakeoil...

While Meier's photos are impressive (who wasn't blown away the first time they saw them?) they are hardly the work a genius photographer. As I've stated, I do believe Meier has had accomplices. As far as my memory recalls, Meier has yet to submit an "original" negative (the one that went through the camera) to anyone for analysis, and until that time, they cannot be considered "proof" of anything. They are great photos, but not proof of aliens from another universe visiting our planet. As we should all know by now, it really isn't that difficult to fake a UFO photograph. Of course, the beautiful Swiss Countryside does make the photos look even more appealing. I do find it rather convenient for Meier that the Caveman, Dinosaur, and other "less convincing" photos were either "recalled" by the Pleiadians, or switched by MIB's, or both. It reminds me how a compulsive liar will create ten additional lies to cover up the first lie he tells.

Yes, Billy Meier was raising a family, and on a very limited income. That is what we call Motive. Billy Meier has made and continues to prosper from selling his materials. His believers even raised the $240,000.00 in 1977 to purchase he and his family a fifty acre farm. That's probably the equivalent of a couple million dollars in today's currency (it was nearly 30 years ago). Oh, and you forgot, Meier was an Unemployed night watchman, with a lot of spare time on his hands, while he shot most of those photos. Marc, how do you know he didn't have any collaborators or conspirators? It seems that you take a lot of what you read as gospel, but yet demand documentation for any discrepancies in your beliefs. Speaking of documentation, I'd like to see the documentation and/or investigations of 19 assassination attempts on Meier's life. As far as I know, there aren't any...
Meier was pretty much ignored by his neighbors, not followed or watched. They only observed him leaving his house (in Hinwill) on his moped, or loafing about. Almost all of them considered him a fraud from the beginning, and none of them ever saw these UFO's he photographed anywhere in their skies.

Let us not forget that Billy Meier has stated that he is THE ONLY HUMAN BEING that is having contact with Aliens from another planet. If you do believe this, then you must believe that ALL other UFO Contactees are frauds. I also find it very convenient for Meier that the Pleiadians no longer physically contact him, but now do so through telepathy only. Too bad, no more UFO sightings or new photos. Even his ex-wife has admitted that he is a fraud. Too bad their marriage went sour, but I bet Billy has a lot of pretty young female followers to tout his stories to. Stories are something Billy Meier has a lot of, from going back in time and meeting Jesus Christ, to claiming he, himself IS Christ reincarnated. Sure sounds like the words of a cult leader to me.

The initial story of Billy Meier is a very alluring one. A simple, uneducated, poor, one-armed farmer living in Switzerland goes out with his camera. He has no special knowledge about photography, philosophy or astronomy and comes back with great photos and stories of his experiences with aliens from space.... He's the perfect candidate for a UFO Contactee. The story is fascinating and very easy to believe, especially if you already have an interest in UFO's and the unknown. But if you look into that story, all is not so crystal clear, so cut and dry... there are cracks and flaws. Many people don't want to see them, they want to believe, and I did too, for many years. I came to a point that I started to question my own instinctive belief in this man. This doesn't make me right, you wrong. It is my opinion, just like you have yours. I doubt that any of us will ever know for certain. If he is a fraud, his ego will never confess to it and he will carry it to his grave. If he is legitimate, the Pleiadians have done a very poor job considering that Meier himself has stated that it is the Pleiadian's mission to be known to the people of Earth through his (Meier's) words and images.

Please don't tell me that Meier hasn't prospered through all of this, he certainly has. The truth of the matter is Billy Meier has prospered both financially and, I think more importantly to him, he has prospered in his quest to be somebody in this world.