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The Billy Meier saga is nothing but a cult, in my opinion.

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Why would Billy Meier go to so much trouble to hoax something like this and create a circus out of his life, have life threats all the time, rabid critics (case in point), and how did he get into this with such advanced material and pics so long ago and how the heck did he come up with the beautiful Talmud of Jmmanuel material as well? Lemon sucking critics ain't no fun.
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Just wandering around, minding my own business when I ran across a great article on the Nexus Magazine website about Billy Meier proof of accuracy and the Henoch info. [Maybe Marc can make a link--I don't know how] O.K., it's pretty understandable why the enemies of truth would like to silence such things. It's not a pretty picture in our future.
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I am only into the 12th chapter of this 'book' and I know for certain it is a fake and deception, period. Whoever put this work together made the exact same mistakes the author made in the christian bible versions, that is the so-called OT prophecies that are used to point to this messiah. Thomas Paine, in his Age of Reason part 3, totally destroys those prophecies and all one has to do to see it is pick up a bible and follow along. I am very open minded and am on my own search for truth but this work is insulting to the human mind and how anyone can't see there is something very wrong needs to get a much needed head examination. You can find The Age of Reason part 3 online and free. I really suggest you read the whole work!  BTW, why is it wrong for a man and woman to have sex for pleasure while this Jmmanuel approves of two women engaging in sex!!!! Could this book be the work of perverted men just as the bible is? Wake up people and smell the dis-information! Something is going on in this world and it is not good.  It seems like the old 'keep em looking over there so they won't see what is really happening before their eyes'. We are being fed lies by the hundreds and one of the oldest tactics in the world is to give 95% truth first and 5% lies at the end. By the time people are hooked by the 95% truth, they won't question the 5% lies. The only problem with this is that 5% lie part is always a whopper that destroys any truth that was given. I think many of the people caught up in all of this are very sincere, but I also think they are very sincerely wrong. Research everything...Question everything.  Once you have done that, DO IT AGAIN AND AGAIN. 

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Hi Kat ~

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I am only into the 12th chapter of this 'book' and I know for certain it is a fake and deception, period. Whoever put this work together made the exact same mistakes the author made in the christian bible versions, that is the so-called OT prophecies that are used to point to this messiah.

The Talmud Jmmanuel does not support a messiah concept. And its prophecies, including the one by Isaiah that foretold Jmmanuel, are not god-inspired "visions" as exists in the bible. They're based on the utilization of powers of consciousness that we all have but are essentially underdeveloped or lying dormant. That's only one of many major differences in biblical and TJ spiritual concepts. Nothing particularly mystical and magical about it.

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Thomas Paine, in his Age of Reason part 3, totally destroys those prophecies and all one has to do to see it is pick up a bible and follow along. I am very open minded and am on my own search for truth but this work is insulting to the human mind and how anyone can't see there is something very wrong needs to get a much needed head examination. You can find The Age of Reason part 3 online and free. I really suggest you read the whole work!

I can't agree with you on the mind-insulting thing. To me, many parts of the bible insult the intelligence, yet the TJ resolves the inconsistencies and problems. Read http://www.tjresearch.info which compares the bible NT vs. the TJ. Very compelling arguments for the TJ being the "base" version that the bible appears to have adulterated.

As far as Age of Reason 3, I'll check it out. But in the meantime...which prophecies in particular does Paine destroy? I do know Paine was a deist and if anything, ascribed to some concepts that were more aligned to Meier's than those of the bible.

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BTW, why is it wrong for a man and woman to have sex for pleasure while this Jmmanuel approves of two women engaging in sex!!!! Could this book be the work of perverted men just as the bible is? Wake up people and smell the dis-information!

Yes. It does say it's wrong for anyone to have sex for pleasure (and pay) outside of a marriage bond, whether this be a bond of a man and woman or in a polygamy arrangement with a man and multiple women. The whole polygamy concept as well as monogamy is explained in a book by Meier called "Law of Love". I don't think there's anything perverted about the concepts within. Very logical, actually.

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Something is going on in this world and it is not good.  It seems like the old 'keep em looking over there so they won't see what is really happening before their eyes'. We are being fed lies by the hundreds and one of the oldest tactics in the world is to give 95% truth first and 5% lies at the end. By the time people are hooked by the 95% truth, they won't question the 5% lies. The only problem with this is that 5% lie part is always a whopper that destroys any truth that was given. I think many of the people caught up in all of this are very sincere, but I also think they are very sincerely wrong. Research everything...Question everything.  Once you have done that, DO IT AGAIN AND AGAIN. 

That's right. Think and use logic to prove it out. Religion has done just what you've described for millenia. The reason the Talmud Jmmanuel was brought forward was to point out the fallacies in a book(s) that has obviously misled the masses and will continue to do so for some time. It wasn't meant to be some sort of bible replacement, although there will be those who don't know enough about the scope of the entire Meier material who will just assume this.


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Mark Juliano wrote..."That's right. Think and use logic to prove it out. Religion has done just what you've described for millenia. The reason the Talmud Jmmanuel was brought forward was to point out the fallacies in a book(s) that has obviously misled the masses and will continue to do so for some time. It wasn't meant to be some sort of bible replacement, although there will be those who don't know enough about the scope of the entire Meier material who will just assume this."


I am sure you are sincere, but I just cannot agree with any of this. I think it is very dangerous and people are once again being used. This is the beginning of the 'new religion' and I fear the people behind all of this have everything but the good of mankind in mind. People, like myself, who were raised in one of the major religions began to question much of what we had been told was the 'gospel' truth and with the arrival of the internet most people have, for the first time in history, had access to works they would have never known existed. Since religion, the source of control over people, is obviously on it's way out, the powers that be knew this day would come and have a whole new plan/religion waiting in the wings. Now it is going to be the ETs who are our friends and want to finally step in and tell us the new 'gospel' truth. When I first left the church and began my own personal search, I was caught up in writers such as Sitchin, Tsarion, Maxwell, Icke etc. All I can say is I listened to my intuition and began to look at the other side of these issues. I am so glad I did. Maybe those trillions of dollars missing from the defense fund is being used to pay for dis-information agents and to promote them in the public eye. Most of the 'real' authorities are ex-military men! If these people are telling secrets, why haven't they been silenced? Bill Cooper knew he had been used to spread dis-information but he had the concern for those he had misled to come out and tell the truth and 8 months later he was killed. As for Meier, he may be a victim of an enormous hoax or he may be a voluntary agent. Last but not least, he may be crazy and someone who enjoys being the center of attention. I do not believe in the so-called attempts on his life. That is a smoke screen as far as I am concerned. It sure seems to me people are still searching for a 'savior' or leader who will keep them safe, give them the answers to live. They have traded one belief for another and don't even see it. We need to rely on ourselves and work together to expose the lies that are being spread, probably at the expense of we taxpayers. This will be my last post here as after reading that ridiculous TJ I want no part of this buffoonery/insanity!  Please do not trust everything you read or hear without research, research and more research.  You people here are sincere but you are being had. With so much confusion in this world and so much bad information being given by the proverbial wolves in sheeps clothing, it is easy to get caught up in this mess. Whatever is going on, it is not for our good and I fear that many who trust these cons will realize that when it is too late. I hope not. People in cults never realize they are in a cult and will deny it. This nonsense is one of the most dangerous cults in the world as this one will involve the entire globe. I wish you wisdom..Kat
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As far as Bill Meier goes... I can't make a decision on whether he is telling the Truth. I would say I believe him atleast some. There seems to be a couple inconsistencies in what he says. Meaning I thought I heard him saying that he knew when some of the significant changes were going to occur, but did not happen.. Maybe he was just told some wrong info on some stuff. Besides that the UFO film looks real.... Also the Pleidians don't know everything... Like when Meier was visisted on a night by bright lights... The next day or whenever he talked to the Pleiadies next.... they said they had no clue of who visited him that time. So this shows that they are not aware of everything going on. And I believe his old acquaintance Philip Schneider was very Legit. I really liked Phil... Its a shame that someone probably killed him.. I think it would to be fun to take 3 to 5 thousand people and a couple tv cameras and force our way into an underground base. That would create some complete chaos! huh?

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Hi Kat,

I don't know what TJ did you read, although I didn't read it at all. But Billy Meier didn't say to follow that book at all. He merely brought it out to show people the difference between TJ and the Bible as Marc mentioned.

"he may be crazy and someone who enjoys being the center of attention"

I don't know the crazy part. One can see if a person is crazy by talking with him. And I saw some interviews made some time ago. He looked sane to me....maybe you should check it out.

If he enjoys being the center of attention, I think the whole story proves otherwise. He is 71 years old for ....sake, and he is still writing great books, which are mostly in German. People tried and still try to make him come on radio shows and presentation in public, but he didn't wanted because he is aware of what the people might think about him, especially the Christians, they might say, this is the devil, kill him, or whatever. He also has health problems.

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"or he may be a voluntary agent"

Yea, he never leaves his farm, he has a lot of people around him(at least he had back in the days when he came up with the evidence, 1975). He also didn't have a computer back then. The only possibility to contact him secretly is by phone.

"he may be a victim of an enormous hoax"

Are you talking about all that reptilian nonsense ??? (because you mentioned Icke in your comment)

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