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Hi again!

 

I just visited http://www.ufoartwork.com and saw some interesting pictures. Look at these pictures and please tell me do you think Jesus was E.T?

 

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Here are cut and pastes from the Talmud of Jmmanuel website, and it is very explicit about what Billy and the Pleiadians say concerning Jesus Christ or the reincarnate Jmmanuel.  Those historical paintings and artwork are further corroboration of this central theme, who was Jesus and his importance in these affairs:

 

"Thus, Jmmanuel was a very special contactee of these aliens. He is reported, in the TJ, to have received much instruction from them during the forty days he was taken with them (not with the devil!) before he was returned to Galilee. Now, nearly 2000 years later, we find that Eduard Albert Meier, born in 1937, is also a contactee of aliens of this same group."

 

"The overarching motif surrounding the TJ is that a certain alien group, who told Jmmanuel they were from the constellation of the seven stars—the Pleiades,

were genetically compatible with us and had been visiting Earth in past scores of thousands of years. Some 10,000 or so years ago they decided to oversee us in a manner that no longer involved themselves directly, and to give us some guidance in a similar indirect manner. This they did by arranging to have a highly advanced soul periodically reincarnate into the human race in the Middle East region, starting with the biblical Enoch. Some 3000 years ago they decided the time was approaching when the key human lifetime of this soul should occur, for the purpose of teaching humanity some spiritual truths. So some 2000 years ago they brought about this incarnation, with that soul reincarnating into the fetus of Jmmanuel around A.D. 6, not 6 B.C.! His alien procreator saw to it that Jmmanuel would receive intensive education in his youth, which involved those "lost years of Jesus" spent in India -- a topic receiving very substantial evidential support. Thus Jmmanuel was an occasional contactee of these aliens. They realized that his teachings would inevitably be distorted, but felt that mankind could only learn through making mistakes and then learning from those mistakes. So they maintained a continued interest over the centuries."

 

 

"Basically, this theme involves discussions of the human spirit, its gradual evolution over innumerable lifetimes, its immortality and its eventual merger with and into the Great Spirit or Universal Consciousness or God, which the TJ refers to as Creation. A related theme teaches the distinction between human-like beings much advanced over us (called guardian angels and celestial sons), and Creation; these beings are of course commonly referred to as extraterrestrials (ETs) or aliens today. Their leader, for whom Jmmanuel had great respect, is referred to as "Gott" (God) in the German translation but as El here, since the Aramaic word, "El," as in "Immanuel," is what was used to refer to this entity. However, "El" in the Old Testament is translated as "God," which then was the procedure followed by the TJ's translator."

 

 

"However, the greatest of the TJ's heresies is that he survived the crucifixion, with the help of medical attention inside the tomb during three days and nights. Then, after appearing to his disciples several times, he went on to Damascus where he stayed incognito a couple years, before sending for his mother Mary, brother Judas (Judas Thomas) and disciple Judas Iscariot to join him. Soon thereafter they started on their travels, of which various traditions speak."

 

"Meier asked his primary alien contactor, Semjase, if she could give him a

 Jmmanuel as sketched by
Semjase, retouched by an artist.
From the Talmud of Jmmanuel.
"Son of the Great Spirit."
From Ancient American, Vol. 4, No. 26.
picture of Jmmanuel.

 

 

(The face shown in these drawings does not much resemble the one on the Shroud of Turin.)

 

 

Considering that Jmmanuel was a contactee whose mission was to teach spiritual truths in many lands, we must keep open the possibility that some time after traveling to northern India and settling down there, Jmmanuel was taken on extended tours to the Americas and back in his father's UFO. See He Walked the Americas by L. Taylor Hansen (Amherst, WI: Legend Press, 1963), for Native-American legends regarding "Jesus," as influenced by Christianity in the last few centuries. "

 

 

He did travel extensively and influence so many peoples as to make his importance to earth history and understatement, but very interesting indeed.

 

 

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Still not completly convinces about Billy Meirs. Take another perspective and look at http://www.serpo.org I think this is more along the lines we ought to be following. Makes more sense to me (if of course it is true)

 


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From that site, the "Project Zerpo the Zeta Reticuli Exchange Project":

 

"The gradual release of confidential documents pertaining to a top secret exchange program of twelve US military personnel to Serpo, a planet of Zeta Reticuli, between the years 1965-78"
 

"Anonymous writes 85% of the material; another 13% comes from another source directly connected with the project; and the final 1-2% comes from a "ghost," who cancels his e-mail account as soon as he sends his information.

The information is currently being released in installments on a private UFO e-mail list moderated by Victor Martinez. The list contains about a hundred and fifty people, including many extremely well-known names in UFO research and related or leading edge scientific fields. Until permissions are granted, their names will be withheld out of courtesy and to respect confidentiality."

 

And for some of us unfortunately it is very hard to corroborate anything from people who must hide their sources and priveledge their information to the elite in the military, a very hard act to follow in matters of belief that still pertain to the old earthly arguments.  The ET's have always been involved with mankind, and as we now see within this material from Eduardo Billy Meier, and we now also see that those connections reach right to the core of our History and the Christian Religion as well, the celestial and earthly psychic spiritual realms.  The reach into other cultures like they should, and the art work is further evidence of the material bleeding into one another.  Your arguments concerning Zeta Reticuli (if this is an argument) do not confound the issues mind you, just strengthen them to some extent, for we have all wondered about the effects of Roswell and those finds and contacts alone, and at least we have some type of attempted enacted corroboration of those schemes and that theatre, thanks.  Those works also run parallel to what Lt. Colonel Corso tried to convey in his writings as well.  They also point in the possible direction that our Paul Hellyer is directing that we should follow, the sensible approach that contact has been made in more than just one form, and get one with the cultural and social dissemination of those materials in their present form even, that is from what we know, scientifically at least, and that is not a small understanding either.



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Found some synoptic information that was interesting from a website devoted to the Edgar Cayce readings, and that concering Jesus Christ and who he was in relation to mankind, and this is also based upon some interesting parallels and corroborations to the above mentioned material, in that Jesus had previous incarnations and that he travelled even to India and beyond then:

 

"Origin and destiny of humanity - "All souls were created in the beginning, and are finding their way back to whence they came." Cayce believes that human souls were created with a consciousness of their oneness with God. Some "fell" from this state; others - led by the Jesus soul - volunteered to save them. The Earth, with all its limitations, was created as a suitable arena for spiritual growth.

Duality - According to Cayce, Atlantean society was divided into two long-lived political factions - a "good" faction called the "Sons of the Law of One," and an "evil" faction called the "Sons of Belial." According to the readings, a major source of turmoil was the Sons of Belial's desire to exploit the Things, sub-humans with animal appendages and low intelligence, and the movements to protect and evolve them by the Sons of the Law of One.

Universal laws - Souls incarnated on the earth are subject to certain spiritual laws such as, "As ye sow, so shall ye reap" (karma) or "As ye judge (others), so shall ye be judged." Properly regarded, such laws represent an aspect of God's mercy whereby no matter what our circumstances, he has promised to guide us in our spiritual path.


Jesus and Christ Consciousness

Following New Thought precedent, Cayce distinguishes between Jesus and Christhood. Briefly, Jesus was a soul like us, who reincarnated through many lifetimes (and made many mistakes). "Christhood" is something which he achieved, and to which we also ought to aspire. Cayce accordingly calls Jesus our "elder brother."

From Cayce's perspective, we are not simply physical bodies, instead we are spiritual beings who are having a physical experience entailing personal growth and development. Many individuals have incorrectly assumed that the goal of being in the earth is to simply reach heaven, find enlightenment, or somehow "get out of the earth." And yet, this is a perspective quite different from that contained in the Cayce material. Instead, Cayce believed that as children of God, our mission was to somehow bring spirit into the earth.

The dynamics of our deep and literal connection to God can be found throughout scripture, beginning with Genesis when we are told that God made humankind in the Creator's image. But our relationship with God as our Parent is perhaps no more clearly illustrated than in the Parable of the Prodigal Son (Luke 15:11-24). This parable describes the journey of the soul: we were with God in the beginning, through the power of our free will we were able to make choices that were not necessarily in perfect accord with the Creator. And, at some point, we will "arise" and decide to return to God, regaining our inheritance and experiencing our true relationship with Him.

One of the readings beautifully describes the spiritual nature of humankind in this way:

"For ye are a corpuscle in the body of God; thus a co-creator with Him, in what ye think, in what ye do." - Edgar Cayce reading #2794-3

The readings state that God desires to be expressed in the world through us. The example set by Jesus is apparently a "pattern" of wholeness for each and every soul.Regardless of an individual's religious or personal beliefs, this Christ pattern exists in potential upon the very fiber of their being. It is that part of each of us that is in perfect accord with the Creator and is simply waiting to find expression in our lives.

This Christ pattern was further described as "the awareness within each soul, imprinted in pattern on the mind and waiting to be awakened by the will, of the soul's oneness with God" (5749-14), and its manifestation is the eventual destiny of each and every soul. With this in mind, the readings present Jesus as our "Elder brother," a soul who came to show each one of us the way back to our spiritual Source by perfectly manifesting the laws of the Creator in the earth.

Just as an older sibling can sometimes provide insight and counsel into some of life's difficulties (because he or she went through them first) Jesus as Elder brother can assist us in facing life's challenges. What may surprise individuals is that this fact has nothing to do with religion, it has to do with spirituality and discovering our true relationship with God - a relationship we share with Jesus. The readings not only affirm that Jesus was the Son of God, but they also state the same thing about each and everyone of us. In other words: Jesus was like each one of us and, ultimately, each one of us is destined to be like Him.

Q. What is the main purpose of Jesus' incarnation?

EC: To glorify the Christ Consciousness in the Earth . in the lives of those with whom ye come in contact, and to live the same thyself. - Reading 2441-4

Q. What is the meaning and significance of the words Jesus and Christ...?

EC: Just as indicated. Jesus is the man, the activity, the mind, the relationships that He bore to others. Yea, He was mindful of friends, He was sociable. He was loving. He was kind. He was gentle. He grew faint, He grew weak and yet gained that strength that He has promised, in becoming the Christ, by fulfilling and overcoming the world! Ye are made strong in body, in mind, in soul and purpose by that power in Christ. The power, then, is in the Christ. The pattern is in Jesus. - Reading 2533-7

This transformative power of the Christ Consciousness is awakened as individuals act in accord with the pattern set by the example of Jesus' life. In fact, this awakening is the essential purpose for which each soul enters into life.

From Cayce's perspective, Jesus is the Elder brother for all of humankind, deeply committed to assisting all souls in reawakening to the awareness of their oneness with God. This Jesus is not interested in religious conversion, denominationalism, or even mighty personal accomplishments. Instead, He is simply interested in how we treat one another. With this in mind, even in the midst of our diversity as a human family, we share a common spiritual heritage. We are all Children of the same God. We are all part of the one spiritual Source. And, we are all destined to return to our Creator, our Mother/Father, our God.

Unknown Life of Jesus - Cayce presented narratives of Jesus' previous incarnations, including a mysterious Atlantean figure called "Amilius" as well as the more familiar biblical figures of Adam, Enoch, Melchizedek, Joshua, Asaph, and Jeshua. Cayce describes Jesus as an Essene who traveled to India in his youth in order to study Eastern religions. Read more ."

 

That says alot of the older new age thinking, but still says Dino to me that in any case, Jesus is still a very important and central figure to the human race, even as the Jmmanuel, or more closely to older thinking, the Word or Logos.

 



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Something that even came to mind to me from quoting these materials, is that in the Edgar Cayce, there is still a touch of duality, that is between who Jesus was, and I believe that is for us, who the reincarnating Christ was, and again on that duality, from the earlier material the parallel between Jesus and Billy and really the closeness of those parallels again, and that by consideration of traveling and having to learn everything about so many things as to make Jesus at least, become quite a genius, and also the conscription to assassination.  That is also towards you Dino, and I only mean, that you are ahead of me in looking for many further parallels within other historical associations, and as even the Talmud site tries to ascertain or entertain the ideal that Jesus perhaps visited the Americas in their times and his, and of course not the other.  I only mentioned the Cayce work, because even the Pleyaren mention the higher spiritual realms, the Arahat Athersata, and I quote the Meier's book, "A pure spiritual We-form whose name means, "The precious one who contemplates the time."  It can also be added, and pardon the pun, that Mankind only evolves at an almost precise way in both mental and spiritual quotients (and if one wants to, Cayce always said, first spirit, the mental then physical), added to us in parts per thousand years, so that is also an indicator on Mankind's growth.  We must also reach a level that many people had embarked upon when they began studying the Cayce material before the Pleyaren came along (again), and that is the amalgamation of an ancient time scheme upon mankind, with even that one admitting that the Giza Pyramids themselves were built much, much earlier. 

 

This of course adds to us now the further task, in that now that time lines, exact peoples and events having transpired upon Earth in times past, we must look at current efforts to date the Pyramids to the 2400 BC range quite as sardonic and outdated as a literal translation of the Bible already was hard to fathom, and course even within those faiths attached to it (three in all) many are completely discontented (some say divine discontent works) with those enchantments, and the early learning structures implemented and many with fear of reprisal for false teachings that really show the beast again for what it is.  Those time lines cross at just over ten-thousand years before Christ and again in other times and other ways, at exact increments, quite a structure.  We could say the mind, and reach at least the platitude reached by our civilization somewhere in the 15th and 16th centuries, allowing for reprisal from science and philosophy, and be safe once again.  If medical science itself isn't one of the most outstanding and long-tortured for those practicing it, it would turn into a paradigm of error.  Anyway, we know those to be thousands and tens of thousands of years old, so in reading Jesus, as the Meier material also relates, one must look at past incarnations, of that one seeded here on Earth, along with those who cannot reincarnation on this planet.  But to him (and us) who have been performing this cycle, there was a purpose to put seed within one that could reach out to the rest of how a more perfected human being (a bit of a misnomer, for Jesus was seeded, the man, who had an alien procreator) and as well, those Ancestral Beings knew that his message would be reduced to errors of conception and chose to watch that evolution instead, or even say that it cannot be done either. 

 

One added statement must be added to find a nominal solution to the conundrum of reincarnating, and that lesson also occurs from within the archives of the book, And still they fly!, and that is about the evil king or Got, called Ashtar Sheran.  He is the pseudonym another name, Aruseak, and was also a relative, a cousin in fact, of the Giza Intelligences Kamagol II, who was striving for world domination (and on Earth, in some form).  They were involved at Giza in the year 1937.  He it was and his followers who were killed in 1983 by Askets planetary nation people, and since according to natural laws of creation, those who die in the DAL universe, stay reincarnating within the DAL universe.  Who again is Asket, she of course is from a race called the Timars (pronounced timmarz), of those along with the Pleyaren, who emigrated to the DAL universe from ours, and are now about 8,000 years ahead of us in technology . . . 

 

Those we need only study their histories as distinctions from ours completely, and as such we do still need to ask, who was Jesus, and how far did his influence (or how far could it go if now interpreted properly) go upon this earth, is a good question, and even a good Buddhist will admit that even among those followers (and now that it has spread there are again all types of parallels running through it from within by members) they admit that sometimes the answers are found within the works of the Christ, sometimes within other reincarnates and times and battles perhaps best said.  It would be interesting to do a fully study on that material, as well as the past incarnations as well, and the ramifications to the times they occurred (it is latent to more orthodox Christianity, that we are all theologians to some extent to modern times), and find out more details, and good luck to that them, but also those trying to find more Eastern viewpoints, and event he corollaries to the Mexican and South American, and even with the Chinese and Indian structures as well, to and European, in total to which there are a tremendous number of parallels indeed. 



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There is much more modern information on Jesus as well as some Jewish historical works considered almost completely authentic, and that is Josephus on Jesus, as well then as the work compiled for the Historical Jesus. There were mentions of a Jesus in some of the ancient works of a figure not the strapping big character of lengends (though Peter would require size), but a smaller man of shorter stature, even around the common frame of the five-foot levels, perhaps not even the 5'11" frame of the Nazarean apparently on the Shroud of Turin.  Given that we accept the Pleyaren messages, the Shroud cannot be historical Jesus, (though it is an excellent reproduction and art form) simply because Semjase answered that question of appearance for us, as well as racially and otherwise nationality apparent, and that Jesus didn't completely die on the cross either, to this day the event the Resurrection it is called, an important omen for Christians.

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The jesus from the drawing resemble the face of bolly meier.

Does billy meier was Jesus and he don't want to tell that due to the enemy the christian religions.



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Somewhat very much like Billy Meier yes, and yet more racially (or should we then say radically) like a Bin Laden in a macabre yet toward an actual likeness of Jesus.



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One thing came to mind after rereading the Cayce material, myself.  Isn't it interesting that it came to mind that Cayce would say that we have reached the Intended point.  The evolution of the revolution as already begun, and what a small shilling to pay for the books that strive to point us in an incredible and astronomical situation, both naturally and surpranaturally then.  Supposing again that we reached that level and had the feel of the gods or that realm then so to speak in us, we can go on with our spiritual and mental co-evolution with the powers that be then, and perform the natural progressions and eggressions, hopefully after working and flattening out the aggresssion against formidible odds that lead to a natural path of what will has become then, the meeting of the Ancient Atlanteans, and the releasing of tremendous amounts of information, like the unlocking of the secrets of the Pyramids, and the ancient time-lines, and perhaps now, the rest only requires one incredient, someone or somehow that one already knew.  To put it in parallel, math, unknown and totally natural and 'there' already exists, and it's moment if just to fleeting in phase (perhaps as in trying phase=time), or tuning into it and its affects felt, but the effect itself is not immediately ascertained, or understood (not that that is important as the intention being used in finding the explanation) but that at times, we must push that little bit further, the mystery is sometimes revealed then as well for us, or at least what is attached to those walls again. Where the Asherah pole was, the Sherriff arrived and the other guy was licked by the natural progression of social evolution within our spiritual matrix, and horn held rightly level and high with the pole to our backs then, and as warriors of this progression, case-closed, the natural universe still beacons.  Yet man will not be satisfied for long even to look and see the stars in their firmament, he will seek after the more intense mystery of what even initial contact means for man, and regain his balance that way, then.  Thanks be to them for being on the Path for us to entertain and realign such thoughts, visions and dreams, and intentions. Thanks really as well to the forum, for as a posting board, even for the author, we really can review even our own past material, and because the field is really so complex, allow ourselves the time-speak to overview the material and come up with new answers, even if they sound simple to us upon the arrival. 

 

The other is a bit of criticism based upon the intention man had in past decades and times past of searching for who was Jesus of the Old and New Testaments and that it was with much confusion and anticipation of something that would unite the different perspectives, together.  One that the Orthodox Christian (a united term for both) can recognize bad news and bad messages and bad teachings, and those 'truths' are inherent within it, and defend 'that' message parallel with a vast amount of integrity as do the literal sources and textual criticisms.  If they hadn't been off just that much from the beginning, it would have changed that history completely.  The other is that the one that had such truth within it didn't understand the Hebraic from the Egyptian from the truest Greek and original Aramaic dialects and descendents.  There is an inherent amount of 'internatized' truth within that book, and even from the Jewish point of view, as Orthodox as it was, kept the inner eye of the Pyramid intact with it's sacrifices, for it performed many and faced tests that other societies base their books upon as well.  The Talmud of Jmmanuel does come indeed as a metaphysical time-bomb, and it is hardly to be admired more than understood, that it would receive a cold reception from the tested theologians and for others, and radical mix that tests the metal to the core.  The other criticism is that towards the sincere, it comes as such a monument, and so close at hand to the Meier Material as to make it his, and that close approximation and attachment to it harder to accept, because in times past knowledge and books came together over periods of decades and centuries, and the doctrines and dogmas, as well along those parallel-lines.  To admit that the old version still works is fine to admire and also to be knowledgable and profitable, even towards its orignal people and sources, but with a deference to even itself working upon itself (and their strange stories of wierd battles even with God for unbelief, and then God goes silent for thousands of years it seems and God does not speak like that anymore) and hospitable towards our brothers and generation and peoples and perhaps victims or biology.  That peoples on Earth are in some vital ways, missing the intended familiar (family) targets, we are forced only after exhausting them, turning around the old time-speaks then and finding others out their far less exhausting and unfathomobile as Man is to Itself.  Counter again, that we have not found the Greys or the Pleiadians anything but light and not aggressively hostile, but actually very smart and almost unfathomobile.  Counter one more time that Man is violent because Man has been violent for a long period of time, and forced to be so in many forms and temperments, really as retrospect trying to put himself on the side of a Supreme God who did not speak directly to them but by priests then and old testaments. Yet they did find an inherent syncretism in the universe. This is the first real turn at those roads, a strike, so to speak at the very core of the founding Religion to could become a majority of the World to this day in one form or another, and one cannot escape that platitude or schematic either. Only that it would be expected to be fair towards accepting criticism, in that Man has had man times been at War and having only the forces of Nature the Creative Evolution (pertinently Co-Evolution) that we are within, and within its Karmic types of arms to guide and help us with in our internal spiritual affairs, and that Globally if even by geography and nationalities had been able to produce then it seemed.  We are definitely at the cross-roads within a very intricate scheme indeed then, and the bones of men and women his mistakes, then take a second nature towards that barrier perhaps, this time without that fear of looking back to towards placating a God that 'had' to sacrifice his only Son, or repecting any one Man, (or prophet perhaps alone then) and no-one of those times or really that it belong in that scheme completely, and yet it kept happening the intended way . . .



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Something of a personal nature in that the Virgin Mary or that spiritual persona (even the Quetzalupe variety), and the intensity of witnessing a spiritual being, in radiant beauty, or of Jesus and the Scriptures is indeed an awesome experience, sometimes beyond syncrenizing only and experienced by many for example as well, not just this reporter or witness as well then.  While dismissing the facets of Christianity, and some of the 'staged' encounters of the early twentieth century, andn then like reincarnation and the law of karma then, that do not run parallel to that other Kingdom, it is indeed as well then, confusing only again towards the temporal mind that cannot see such things as a child then and put aside arguments just once, as a spiritual mystery perhaps.  Test the spirits it was once said, and some do appear to be quite childlike and lastingly emotional in rememberance and classically mature in the same serious vein.  Does anyone else still have casual supernatural encounters anymore, for even amongst the ufologist lore, their is again that intense parallel to the in-between or the land of the spirit on earth and those levels and passages then for us to digest in one form or another or spirits and guardian angels and other types of encounters? Or perhaps the intensely metaphysical, when all thoughts of war and our aggressions are over, where will we find power if not within the spirits of our ancestors then, in not from what source, but the Latent one, if even not initially then?

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