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I'm one of those people who has been going through a change for the past few years, processing huge amounts of knowledge through a new paradigm.  Right in line with the teachings of the TJ, I have taken to studying and researching everything and forming my own views about humanity, our world and our past, learning things along the way that I never imagined I would learn.

 

This has allowed me to see through many of society's fabrications and thus attain a new enlightenment.  Among other things, I have studied the history (and validity) of our sciences, religions and mythologies.  I am very open minded but also very skeptical.  For example, I do not discount UFOs but have seen no proof of aliens, and I believe in neither creation or evolution (I believe the answer lies in catastrophism).

 

Now when I came across the Talmud of Jmmanuel, I have to say that I was very impressed.  This document beautifully corrected many of the problems I had with the NT, and the reasons given for the alterations (by Jim Deardoff) fit in completely with my own understanding of our history, both religious and political, since that time period.

 

The text itself and the wisdom imparted by Jmmanuel also agreed with my own personal ideals, as well as my girlfriend's - ideals which we have been actively discussing and developping for a few years now.  Some of the phrases and concepts in the TJ were so strikingly similar to views we had been discussing, some in the days just prior to our first reading the text, that I sometimes literally felt as if this text was meant for me to read at this time.

 

Needless to say, this made me think that I was on to something big!  I was ready to reconsider my views on alien visitors, though assuming they had been here then but were no longer around today.  I did not discount the possibility of their return.

 

However, the newfound knowledge I have gained from various research has given me a particular discernment, this being due to some very little-known FACTS that are often innocently used in writings that people attempt to pass off as genuine.

 

For example, I had seen a few mentions of the "Big Bang" in some of the other Meier writings, and this made me wince because there was no such event!  I put it down to a possible miscommunication, knowing that Creation is given an age much greater than the widely accepted (and incorrect) age of 15 to 20 billion years given to our universe by mainstream cosmologists.

 

(The reason I mention the above is that the universe is not expanding.  The theory of the "Big Bang" is based on an incorrect understanding of cosmological redshift, which is not an indicator of recession speed but rather a composite of the movement speed and age of the object.  See the works of Alton Arp for more details, or read Erci J. Lehrner's book "The Big Bang Never Happened".  Most cosmologists discount the "Big Bang" today.)

 

But just as I had come to believe that I had finally found the truth about ourselves and our history, I read more communications from Billy Meier and found quite a few references to "black holes".  I was SO very disappointed!  I was thinking and hoping that this whole thing was real.  I even felt that it could possibly all be true.  But the problem is that there are no such thing as "black holes"!

 

These theoretical constructs exist nowhere in our physical universe outside of computer simulations and mathematical formulas.  Do your own research on 'plasma cosmology' and the 'electric universe' paradigms.  I studied cosmology and astronomy for 25 years, and it is only in recent years that I realized that modern cosmology is a lie.  Seriously, there are no "black holes" and "dark matter" and "big bang" and "neutron stars".  Look into it and render your own judgment, as everyone should.  Our universe is electric in nature and is not guided by gravity alone, as proscribed by the dogmatic gaslight-era "laws" of the 1600s.

 

An advanced race of spacefaring beings would, of course, know this fact.

 

They would also know that Earth's orbit was not only slightly different from what it is today (as mentioned in another communication) but had changed more than a few times.  As late as 780 BCE, calendars across the globe (including the Maya, Inca, Hindu, China, Persia, Egypt, Babylonia, Assyria, Palestine, Greece and Rome) had to be changed from 360 days to 365.25 days due to an orbital change.

 

Another item not mentioned in any of the writings:  detailed studies in comparative mythology (see kronia.com) make a convincing case that Earth was initially a satellite of the planet Saturn.  This explains the reason for the rise of planetary worship and for Saturn being known as the greatest and foremost of the gods of the ancients (and not the Sun or Moon, who were relegated to rather minor status in most early mythologies).  Saturn was also known as our "first sun", "best sun" and "original sun", and some of the names it was originally known under also indicate its incandescent presence (Helios, Shamash, Ra, Sol, Surya, Vishnu) as it visually dominated the sky from its fixed position at the celestial pole.


There are a few other items I could mention that are not factual and yet mentioned in the writings, like the cause of the demise of the dinosaurs and the dating of some Earth and Martian catastrophes, but this post has gone on long enough.

 

My search for the truth must go on, sadly without incorporating the Talmud of Jmmanuel.  I really wanted to believe in it.  It is a truly amazing hoax, I must admit, and I come to this conclusion only because my discernment cannot allow me to put any faith in a concept that denotes such fabrications as "black holes" and the "Big Bang" as being factual parts of Creation.


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ahhhh

well my friend its your choice. . .

but as far as i know the universe is really expanding (and the speed of this expansion is increasing) and black holes have now became a proven fact and are not anymore a theory . . .

i will not give you any link or anything, ´cause i know that if you are a real truth seeker you will eventually discover the real facts and with that the truth. . .

simply question all, search the logic in all, and don´t believe in anything

accept your own ignorance and ask yourself: what do i really know? and how do i know that "what i know" is the truth?

all changes in life and appearences cheat, im 100% sure that if you are a real truth seeker at its time you will discover that many thing s that you think that are fact are nothing more that illusions, and that things that you believe to be false will be recognized as real. . .

remember always that:
"things are as they are, and not like we want them to be"

"The noble only searches for the truth and does not grasp with blind obstinacy to his point of view"

take care

and good luck in your path
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Thank you my friend, and yes it is my choice.  As you can see from my signature line, I have already been through the process you describe.

 

I won't argue your points too much, but I must point out that the 'accelerating expansion' you mention is just the latest in a long line of ad hoc attempt at explaining away another observation that does not fit in with the dying "big bang" theory.

 

But I do have to say that "black holes" are NOT a proven fact, and I can post dozens and dozens of links, papers and arguments to that effect.  Please do not make such uneducated statements if you can't back them up.  I have over 25 years of cosmological research behind my views of the non-existence of "black holes" and can fully support those views and have done so on many messageboards.

 

They are purely a theoretical construct and have no counterpart in the real universe.  The plasma focus effect, which can be studied in a laboratory, better accounts for the cosmic effects attributed to black holes.  I will only give you one link on this issue, and I leave it up to you to look at that website's subject index and research similar ideas if you really want to explore this information in a logical and open-minded fashion on your quest for truth.

 

I do not know where you are on your path to enlightenment, but I personally came to conclude that most of what we are taught about this world and its history through media and "education" is blatantly false.  Do not get your science from NASA or your history from the Washington Post.  There are so many alternative sources of information out there that any reasonably intelligent person who takes the time and does the research will come to have their own views and ideas (instead of parroting other people's ideas) and thereafter come to some paradigm-shifting conclusions.

 

"Simply question all, search the logic in all, and don't believe in anything."

 

I could not agree more with your words.  Discernment is vital, and solutions must be logical and intuitive.  So which is more logical and understandable to you, black holes and singularities and dark matter and dark energy and neutron stars and 12 dimensions and wormholes?  Or electrical currents and discharges and anodes and cathodes and double-layers?  Because the latter is what powers our universe.  The other items are meant to be so complex that you won't even try to understand them.  Tell me, as an intelligent human being do you really think you can not possibly understand nature?  That things like stars and planets and our universe are so complex that they can only be described by mathematical theories in supercomputers and understood by a few elitist geniuses?

 

Any electrical engineer or plasma physicist can fully understand our universe and how it functions, and any intelligent person can intuitively grasp the beauty and truth of the electric universe.  Heed your own words and disbelieve everything you thought you knew, and you will discover a world where suns give birth to gas-giant planets by stellar core expulsion, and gas-giant planets give birth to rocky planets like Earth (the process is known as "stellar parturition"), and where electrical discharges (the "thunderbolts" of the gods) are the cause of terrain like the Grand Canyon and of most cratering in the solar system.

 

Enjoy your travel along your path, and your ignorance will soon be replaced by an intuitive and beautiful understanding of our universe that does not require fantasy costructs and elitist mathematics.

 

I will leave you with a few quotes of my own:

 

"Since the mathematicians have invaded the theory of relativity, I do not understand it myself anymore."  --Albert Einstein (Evanston 1949)

 

"A truth's initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie was believed. When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker, a raving lunatic."  --Dresden James

 

"Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehoods school. And the one man that dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool"  --Plato

 

"Believe nothing. No matter where you read it, or who said it, even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."  --Buddha

 

"The great masses of people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one. Especially if it is repeated over and over."  --Adolf Hitler

 

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident."  --Arthur Schopenhauer

 

And, of course, my signature quote.  Peace.


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hi again

you are right when you mention that the truth doesn´t have to do anything with elitisms, and that it is simple and beautiful

things in the material world can be complicated, BUT, in all, and for all times there are things that are universal, and that are the reason and the essence of why things are as they are

...........

i checked the link you provided, and honestly i can only tell you that it is no more than hypothesis, speculation etc (and im not telling that theories are bad, cause through them, little by little science advances)

just because earth scientists do not understand the nature of "black holes" doesn´t mean they do not exist, theories can change but the reality is the same, billions of stars are out there in the immeasurable outer space dying and being born every second, with time and will everything will be clearer, we can and we will understand the nature of all in this material universe, and still then there will exist an infinite mystery. . .

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to better understand ALL THINGS IN THE UNIVERSE i recommend the book: "The Kybalion"

i hope you find it useful

.................

i wish you the best in your path,
and remember always to remain humble, honest, and conscious of your own ignorance

take care
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Hi Piper

>"The Big Bang Never Happened".  Most cosmologists discount the "Big Bang" today.

In order to support the above statement, would it be possible that you provide some names and/or percentage of cosmologists who discounted the Big Bang theory?

Regards

Savio



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Piper>"The Big Bang Never Happened".  Most cosmologists discount the "Big Bang" today.

Savio>In order to support the above statement, would it be possible that you provide some names and/or percentage of cosmologists who discounted the Big Bang theory?

I can provide you some names though I may have exaggerated their numbers a little, or at least the number who will admit it.    While it is still accepted and funded, few will venture their counter opinions publicly on the matter.  Most cosmologists have spent all of their careers, or at least the past twenty-five years, elaborating various aspects of the Big Bang. It would be very difficult for them, as for any scientist, to abandon their life's work.

 

I've already mentioned "The Big Bang Never Happened", a book written by Eric J. Lerner.  Lerner is also the author of over 600 scientific articles and a dozen papers.  He has been carrying out research of fusion and fusion propulsion funded by NASA through Jet Propulsion Laboratory since 1994. (Source).

 

The following ought to summarize the position of some other scientists who have an interest in this issue.  It is from "An Open Letter to the Scientific Community" published in New Scientist on May 22, 2004 (see http://www.cosmologystatement.org/).  I will not quote the full text (it is pretty long) or list all the people who signed it here, but you can click the above link to take a look.  Here are a few excerpts:

 

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The big bang today relies on a growing number of hypothetical entities, things that we have never observed-- inflation, dark matter and dark energy are the most prominent examples. Without them, there would be a fatal contradiction between the observations made by astronomers and the predictions of the big bang theory. In no other field of physics would this continual recourse to new hypothetical objects be accepted as a way of bridging the gap between theory and observation. It would, at the least, raise serious questions about the validity of the underlying theory. 

But the big bang theory can't survive without these fudge factors.

(...)

What is more, the big bang theory can boast of no quantitative predictions that have subsequently been validated by observation.

(...)

Today, virtually all financial and experimental resources in cosmology are devoted to big bang studies. Funding comes from only a few sources, and all the peer-review committees that control them are dominated by supporters of the big bang. As a result, the dominance of the big bang within the field has become self-sustaining, irrespective of the scientific validity of the theory.

 

The letter is signed by 218 scientists and researchers affiliated with universities and laboratories, as well as a few hundred independent researchers.  Some of the more prominent on the list include astronomer Halton Arp (website), cosmologist William C. Mitchell (author of "Bye Bye Big Bang, Hello Reality" - website), and astronomer Tom Van Flandern (website).

 

The new crop of plasma cosmologists and proponents of the Electric Universe model generally do not agree with the "Big Bang" idea either, starting with the "Father of Plasma Cosmology", Hannes Alfvén (1908-1995), winner of the 1970 Nobel Prize in Physics.  For 30 years, based on plasma physics, Alfvén and his colleagues proposed an alternative cosmology to both the Steady State and the Big Bang cosmologies.

 

You will find retired professor of electrical engineering at the University of Massachusetts/Amherst, Donald Scott (website), Australian physicist Wallace Thornhill (website), and plasma physicist Anthony Perratt (website), among others.

 

And finally I must add a quote from the discoverer of redshift effect himself, Edwin Hubble, who wrote, "If the redshifts are a Doppler shift ... the observations as they stand lead to the anomaly of a closed universe, curiously small and dense, and, it may be added, suspiciously young. On the other hand, if redshifts are not Doppler effects, these anomalies disappear and the region observed appears as a small, homogeneous, but insignificant portion of a universe extended indefinitely both in space and time." (Royal Astronomical Society Monthly Notices, 17, 506, 1937).

 

Peace.


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Note that I do not completely discount Billy Meier or the TJ because of this.

 

After all, this could just be another "wobbly saucer"-type piece of information given to Meier in order to test our true understanding of Creation, or to see if our knowledge and understanding has grown and persevered despite the many false teachings.

 

Would they not refer to such an object in the way that Meier would understand it?  I just don't see them going into a long explanation of how it is not the object he believes it to be, and explaining the whole electric paradigm view of our universe to him.

 

Always open-minded,

Piper


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I'm sorry to say that after only a small amount of research, I came across a piece of writing that is so error-filled that I have pretty much lost all hope that this isn't a hoax.  I have highlighted the elements of the statement below which I personally believe will be proven to be completely incorrect in the near future, once the dogmatic false teachings of modern cosmology are finally exposed and our knowledge is allowed to progress beyond the suppressive "laws" (and mentalities) which keep it shackled and into the twenty-first century.

 

"251st Contact - Part 2

Friday, February 3, 1995, 12:01 a.m.

The end will come when the dead Sun, along with the accompanying satellites
that drift around it, are attracted and sucked into a Black Hole. Together
they will condense with incredible force and stagnate there until they, and
other material within the Black Hole, are ejected in one massive explosion.
This event will generate fresh gases, fine particles and other elements that
will develop into new galaxies, stars, planets, moons and other forms. These
developments will cover many billions of years; according to calculations
roughly 10 billion years will pass before the Sun and its planets die, exist
while dead, and then are swallowed and annihilated by the aforementioned
Black Hole.

Edward."

 

The above contains the following modern-day cosmological misconceptions:

 

- the 'dead Sun' implies a belief in the (incorrect) nuclear fusion model of the Sun and stars (see "The Electric Sun")

 

- it postulates the existence of "black holes" (already discussed in full above)

 

- it implies a belief in the current (incorrect) view of the life-cycle of a star (see "Stellar Nurseries")

 

- and it contains misconceptions about the cause of the event known as a supernova, which is basically a stellar 'power surge'  (see "Electrical Supernova")

 

Time will tell, my friends, and if the above is correct - and I thoroughly believe it is, so remember these words - then Billy Meier is receiving information containing the equivalent of Ptolemy's Epicycles from a supposedly advanced spacefaring race.

 

I am saddened at this, but I will not be deceived.

 

I wish you all the best on your individual paths.  Everyone should still read the Talmud of Jmmanuel and follow its wisdom, because it is a truly wise book, but be certain to look into everything and not follow others and thus come to your own wisdom about our universe... you will only find it in yourself and not in a book.

 

Peace.


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Hi Piper

Thanks for your informative response 

It takes me quite a while to read those information you provided.

As I am not a scientist, these links opened up to me certain new information that I would not normally take time to look into.

Well, to this end, my point of view is : A theory is a theory. That is an idea that have to be proven. Taking a firm position on a certain theory in going against another theory does not mean the truth is known.

Yes, I would agree and it is well known that there are unsolved problems within the Big Bang theory, it is just normal as according to the history of the development a theory before it is proven.

Hence, I would think it is too early to say “ The big bang never happened”. Scientists cannot prove this statement as truth just by rising up some difficult questions that cannot be solved by the big bang theory.

On the hand, the Plejarens mentioned that our universe is much much older than the age that our scientists theorized. Does it mean that we are still too young in our science/technology development?

I would say it is too early to have a conclusion right now, time will tell which theory is the right one, we will continue keeping an open mind and searching for the truth.

Happy searching 

Savio

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Piper: To go beyond the black hole/big band discussion..., how do you feel about Jmmanuel being given a space ride to visit the 30- foot tall god, ruler of three human races, protected by a couple of tall beings???
By the way, thanks for mentioning that people can benefit from the teachings provided by the Talmud of Jmmanuel.
Your space-scientist training has given you an added dimension of viewing this unbelievable story. Obviously I cannot concur, nor disagree with your conclusions regarding this paradigm mystery of this particular Universe. Please consult Billy, when given the opportunity, then consider his answer. Perhaps Ptaah himself can communicate with you telepathically and offer an explanation, if not the upper beings to which Billy is soon to join. Peace is ours..., as long as we can enjoy it.
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Hi Brjnster,

 

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how do you feel about Jmmanuel being given a space ride to visit the 30- foot tall god, ruler of three human races, protected by a couple of tall beings???

 

I don't have much of a problem with the "giants" aspect of that idea.  I believe that gravity (another greatly misunderstood force) has not always been constant on Earth and was likely lesser in the past than it is today.  The largest dinosaurs found, for example, could not walk under their own power in today's gravity, the largest pterosaurs could not take off from the ground (so modern paleontologists have them as gliders only, diving off cliffs to gain flight ) and the largest plants could not attain the same heights as they did in the past.

 

A great cataclysm wiped most of the "giants" out but a few survived ("There were giants in the Earth in those days; and also after that..." Gen. 6:4) but eventually those also died out. Stronger gravity now means smaller people and shorter lifespans for us.  Our own height shrinks by about 3/4" during the course of the day due to our spine compressing just from walking around in our gravity.  Do you think that's normal?

 

And of course "giants" are not only mentioned in the Bible and the TJ.  The Japanese have stories of long-legged, furry giants called Ainu.  The Pawnee indian traditions say, "The first men who lived on earth were very large Indians. They were giants; very big and very strong".

 

Popular Arabic tradition identifies "giants" as the builders of Middle Eastern megaliths. The Greeks proclaimed that a generation of giants had built the great fortifications at Tiryns and Mycenae. Scattered megaliths across Europe invited the same idea. Throughout Mesoamerica and South America it was claimed that the massive remains of earlier cultures had been constructed by giants. Similar ideas are found in the South Pacific.

 

I would not be surprised if all intelligent races look somewhat humans-like, but environment also partly shapes our appearance and so a race from a planet with a lighter gravity would probably be tall.  As for 30 feet tall? I have heard of the following two stories which imply it is possible (if they are true):

 

- a 25' 6" skeleton was allegedly found in 1613 A.D. near the castle of Chaumont in France.

 

- two separate 36-foot human remains were allegedly uncovered by Carthaginians somewhere between 200-600 B.C.

 

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By the way, thanks for mentioning that people can benefit from the teachings provided by the Talmud of Jmmanuel.

 

Definitely!  Those teachings are what keep me coming back and investigating this whole story.  If the Talmud of Jmmanuel is a hoax, it would have to have been done by a biblical scholar with a very deep understanding of the Bible and an awareness of both its obvious and subtle falsifications, and also possessing a very self-empowering spiritual idea which is seamlessly interwoven into the storyline.

 

The ideas expressed in the TJ are incredibly advanced if they are taken to be 2,000 years old, but they are also quite advanced if they were written in 1963!  So real or hoax (and I do lean towards real at this time) the Talmud of Jmmanuel contains wisdom that is very much ahead of its time and perfect for people today.

 

>Please consult Billy, when given the opportunity, then consider his answer.

 

Is there such an opportunity?  I should look into ways to contact him through FIGU or something.  There are many other little-known yet very probable ideas that I would like to float by him.

 

>Perhaps Ptaah himself can communicate with you telepathically and offer an explanation, if not the upper beings to which Billy is soon to join.

 

Is that not against the rules, since Meier is the only human contact they said they would make?  No matter.  I will continue to gather knowledge and use my discernment and logic to weigh the clues as they come.

 

Maybe over time I will be able to find the answers through the direct spiritual connection to Creation that we all have within ourselves.

 

Peace.


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Very good observations. From Billy's contact notes it has been postulated that the pyramids of Egypt are perhaps more on the order of being 30,000 years old. Which may be more likely when giants walked this earth. For many years I wanted to assume that levitation was used to put those stones in place. Even that forms were used, and each stone was a giant cement block, poured where it sat. Unusual that in Billy's writings it has been said that nefarious beings occupied a space underneath one of those pyramids, inside one of their spaceships. But the Plejaren eradicated that particular problem, and banished the evil ones to a far away solitude.
I believe it was said that the Plejaren 'influenced' many different individuals of this planet, throughout the ages, to help us along. Such as Tesla, Einstein, Nostradamus, Edison, for instance...
So..., you or I may have the ingredients 'within' to receive their inspirations of wisdom. It appears to me that 'Peace' does come with knowledge. As we witness warring in the Middle East, it is likely that it happens between 'ignorants.'
These discussions are enlightening. Jmmanuel's first recorded miracle was turning water into wine, amongst a group of friends. May you continue to receive good blessings, and thoughtful inspirations.
er, big band was a slipup, as if I skated on a banana peel..., " watch where you're going!" (proofread)

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I am not sure mentioning anything about how the dinosaurs disappeared matches well with the fact that you do not believe in evolution, but I understand the path.


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Just for accuracy sake, the pyramids according to billy is over 70,000 years old built from the guidance of ETs from orion with the use of telekenetic power and good old manual labour.

 

Regarding the gizeh intelligences, they were deported back in 1978 by the plejarens because of their assasination attempt on billy.

 

The MIB were also rounded up and taken back to their home world for punishment.

 

As for impulse telepathy, it's a neutral impulse which can be acted upon or not, people are free to choose but not that they'd realise anyway.

Many scientists, novelists and others have been guided by these impulses from the plejarens to make this world a better place through discoveries and advancements arising from them.

 

Check out the http://www.figu.org, http://www.gaiaguys.net, http://www.tjresearch.info, www,theyfly.com, http://www.billymeier.com for more information.

 

 

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Hello piper,

 

writing this as an absolute layman in physics etc. so feel free to annihalate this theory if you so please.. ;-)

 

however i do recall seeing a BBC documtentary a few months ago that delineated recent scientifically proven theories that actually at the centre of each and every galaxy lies a black hole and that the size of this black itself would be proportional to the size of each respective galaxy in turn. 

 

I'm confused myself - is there black holes or is there not black holes?

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